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Really. I studied the "what jacket are you wearing today" thread of many days (full days).Really? Surely there are a few pics in the what jacket are you wearing today thread.
Really. I studied the "what jacket are you wearing today" thread of many days (full days).Really? Surely there are a few pics in the what jacket are you wearing today thread.
Also, assuming truth in that statement, isn't the fault on the overzealous fans/vendors rather than the makers themselves then?
Also perhaps its my fault, but reading the statement: "but the fact that they do this takes more effort, not less. Skiving is not some super-skill. Every single leatherworker can do it." Made me think that you were placing skiving as some common run of the mill skill, and in some ways belittling it; but it could just be my reading comprehension.
Certainly nobody should be made fun of. That’s a shitty thing to do. I haven’t seen the post. Objectively though, DD did in fact make bad jackets. Even his biggest fan whose jacket lives in infamy had a weird jacket. The main zip stopped 3/4 of the way up!With the latest being quite evident in the Diamond Dave thread were he basically makes fun of DD for going out of business and having bad jackets.
I said this was what other makers have told me. I have absolutely no idea which is more difficult.Sorry, missed this one while I was replying.
Based on talking to the proprietors of the workwear shops in the US, all of whom insist Japanese is always the best.
No, the Japanese like the American stuff because of the 'heritage', which is why you also see things like Lee Archives Japan. It's not based on a claim that any place makes the ultimate, better than everywhere, stuff. The American marketing of Japanese workwear is based on such a claim.
I am not belittling skiving! I'm responding to AVS's claimed "general consensus" that Aero doesn't skive because of laziness. If you're lazy, you're not going to take on the insane task of sewing unskived seams of 4oz+ CXL steerhide!
I do agree that Japanese likes Western brands/imported goods. Langlitz is probably the holy grail in Japan. I asked the Vanson dealer in Japan which Vanson model he wears. He told me he wears Langlitz LOL. And yes Japanese got licence to use quite a few famous brands' trademark in addition to Lee. There are for example Burberry's Black and Blue, Givenchy (only on lighters and some accessories) and Lanvin en bleu. Burberry's had tried to buy back the licence before it ended but failed.Sorry, missed this one while I was replying.
Based on talking to the proprietors of the workwear shops in the US, all of whom insist Japanese is always the best.
No, the Japanese like the American stuff because of the 'heritage', which is why you also see things like Lee Archives Japan. It's not based on a claim that any place makes the ultimate, better than everywhere, stuff. The American marketing of Japanese workwear is based on such a claim.
I am not belittling skiving! I'm responding to AVS's claimed "general consensus" that Aero doesn't skive because of laziness. If you're lazy, you're not going to take on the insane task of sewing unskived seams of 4oz+ CXL steerhide!
I have heard this from the proprietors of almost every workwear-related store in America…
Well, if you haven't encountered it, be glad for that but these kinds of attacks and gimmicks are a big part of the 'workwear' brands' modus operandi. The recent madness with CSF is the most recent example.
Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say skiving is some copout technique. I said that not skiving does take additional (arguably useless) effort, so choosing that it is obviously very deliberate, whether or not one prefers the result.
but the fact that they do this takes more effort, not less. Skiving is not some super-skill. Every single leatherworker can do it.
Certainly nobody should be made fun of. That’s a shitty thing to do. I haven’t seen the post. Objectively though, DD did in fact make bad jackets. Even his biggest fan whose jacket lives in infamy had a weird jacket. The main zip stopped 3/4 of the way up!
Connor Sewing Factory aka One Piece of RockSo you had to deal with some aggressive salesmen in America, I haven't seen this at any of the dealers in London and of course not in Japan. I don't think these American dealers are as represntative of their brands as Ken Calder is of Aero, would you agree?
What is CSF?
I was replying to this, did I misinterpret it?
Conner's Sewing Factory is a company in Japan that claimed to make 'the most accurate repro jeans' and claimed they commissioned their own fabrics for each model. This was of course not true, and they explained away the poor construction quality of their jeans as being 'more authentic to the vintage'.
They recently made legal threats against a jeans collector for putting together an eBook of photos of vintage Levi's and their historical information. CSF claimed that because they make repros of those models, they automatically have rights of any images of them (including of the original Levi's, not just CSF jeans) and that this collector was violating their legal rights. Absolutely absurd stuff.
You did misinterpret it. I was mentioning that skiving is one of the basic/fundamental leather skills; it is not a rare skill, as was being suggested earlier. Fundamental skills are not bad, nor are they inferior.
The construction was part of the authenticity. The brand did and still does make some great repros. With that said, the claims they have made about the rights to the images are indeed quite harsh, hence why I no longer will buy anything from them and why I sold most of my jeans from them, keeping only one pair that is well worn in. Most of their 30s and 40s models are what they claim to be, but yes I am quite disappointed by the recent developments. This is not unusual for Japan, however. Look at the stuff Nintendo pulls compared to other gaming companies in regard to streaming and such.Conner's Sewing Factory is a company in Japan that claimed to make 'the most accurate repro jeans' and claimed they commissioned their own fabrics for each model. This was of course not true, and they explained away the poor construction quality of their jeans as being 'more authentic to the vintage'.
They recently made legal threats against a jeans collector for putting together an eBook of photos of vintage Levi's and their historical information. CSF claimed that because they make repros of those models, they automatically have rights of any images of them (including of the original Levi's, not just CSF jeans) and that this collector was violating their legal rights. Absolutely absurd stuff.
You did misinterpret it. I was mentioning that skiving is one of the basic/fundamental leather skills; it is not a rare skill, as was being suggested earlier. Fundamental skills are not bad, nor are they inferior.
I think you are misinformed about the CSF fiasco. The ebook writer used photos of some original Levi's from the web. Those original Levi's have been sold to CSF. What's more is the ebook writer admitted to using other photos from CSF's website and photos from BerBerjin without first obtaining their permission and I don't think there is any acknowledgment in the book. The ebook writer is amateur and the ebook is not for sale but even a student knows to acknowledge or ask for permission.Conner's Sewing Factory is a company in Japan that claimed to make 'the most accurate repro jeans' and claimed they commissioned their own fabrics for each model. This was of course not true, and they explained away the poor construction quality of their jeans as being 'more authentic to the vintage'.
They recently made legal threats against a jeans collector for putting together an eBook of photos of vintage Levi's and their historical information. CSF claimed that because they make repros of those models, they automatically have rights of any images of them (including of the original Levi's, not just CSF jeans) and that this collector was violating their legal rights. Absolutely absurd stuff.
You did misinterpret it. I was mentioning that skiving is one of the basic/fundamental leather skills; it is not a rare skill, as was being suggested earlier. Fundamental skills are not bad, nor are they inferior.
The ebook writer and some others focused on the photos he took from the web before those jeans were sold to CSF. Those copyright arguably do not belong to CSF as the buyer but to the seller who took those photos. But then he also did admit to taking other photos directly from CSF and BerBerjin's website.The construction was part of the authenticity. The brand did and still does make some great repros. With that said, the claims they have made about the rights to the images are indeed quite harsh, hence why I no longer will buy anything from them and why I sold most of my jeans from them, keeping only one pair that is well worn in. Most of their 30s and 40s models are what they claim to be, but yes I am quite disappointed by the recent developments. This is not unusual for Japan, however. Look at the stuff Nintendo pulls compared to other gaming companies in regard to streaming and such.
Oh thats new. I did not know that part. That changes everything!!The ebook writer and some others focused on the photos he took from the web before those jeans were sold to CSF but he did admit to taking other photos directly from CSF and BerBerjin's website.
He admitted that in our facebook group and then he deleted it after many comments pointing out his mistake.Oh thats new. I did not know that part. That changes everything!!
That is good to know. Really changes my perspective on the whole thing.He admitted that in our facebook group.
I know the writer and I admire his dedication but that is sloppy. CSF is kind of rude and quite a few sympathize with the writer as the ebook is not for profit.That is good to know. Really changes my perspective on the whole thing.
Yeah it was tough for me because Konaka-San has always been nice to me and treated me extremely well. Personally I like him quite a lot.I know the writer and I admire his dedication but that is sloppy. CSF is kind of rude and quite a few sympathize with the writer as the ebook is not for profit.