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The Cavanagh Club

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Dreispitz said:
Thank you for the dating, Brad! Certinly a millennium´s find to be worn with pride! :rolleyes:

The way the silk ribbon is fixed to the brim edge is also quiet interesting. It is not entirely attached firmly to the felt, as to be seen in later and current bowlers. In fact, the silk is rather flapped over and loosely fixed with delecate stitches. This construction appears to ad on to keeping a certin elasticity and torsion resilience. Very elaborately done!


Dreipitz, Super hat! Can I ask how the liner is attached? I have a similar vintage bowler (a Habig) where the liner (very good condition) is loose and I do not see any evidence of stitching.
 

Dreispitz

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mayserwegener said:
Dreipitz, Super hat! Can I ask how the liner is attached? I have a similar vintage bowler (a Habig) where the liner (very good condition) is loose and I do not see any evidence of stitching.


Hello Mayserwegener,

I have alredy been admiring your Habig Bowler! An excellent piece!

When checking the Cavanagh´s lining, I discovered another interesting feature. There is a band of black felt sandwitched between the body and the leather liner! This is obviously done to better conform the hat adding some cushioning.

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The felt cushioning is directly attached to the lining. Guess it is stitched to the the hat, to answer your question.

Today´s riding bowlers do have a thicker cushioning instead of the usual thin leather lining.
 
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Dreispitz said:
Hello Mayserwegener,

I have alredy been admiring your Habig Bowler! An excellent piece!

When checking the Cavanagh´s lining, I discovered another interesting feature. There is a band of black felt sandwitched between the body and the leather liner! This is obviously done to better conform the hat adding some cushioning.

The felt cushioning is directly attached to the lining. Guess it is stitched to the the hat, to answer your question.

Today´s riding bowlers do have a thicker cushioning instead of the usual thin leather lining.

Dreispitz, Very interesting. Thanks!
 

rlk

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Cavanagh rehab

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It will need a rebuild. Really shrank both hat and ribbon. The ribbon was originally black(inside). Will see it again Saturday.
 

Dreispitz

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Mid Fifties Cavanagh

Now, here is the little treasure!

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Note the way, the little knot is nicely finished!!!
 

Lefty

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That knot is such a little thing, but really shows how much care went into making your hat. Very nice. :eusa_clap
 

Viper Man

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Stingies

Here are a few stingy brims (1 7/8"). I didn't acquire them together but they appear to be of similar vintage (50s-60s) although the brown one has a slightly taller crown. I recently brought them into Optimo to have the sweatbands replaced and for a C&B.

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ScottF

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I've been all over this forum trying to learn as much as I can about Cavanaghs - I spotted one in basically mint condition, along with a box that I could not even find a scratch on (octagonal with leather band). Normally when you find something like this in a shop, it's not $120 :(, thus all the digging around.

Anyway, I'm heading over to 'negotiate', and will post pics when I return with it. This will be your chance to have a laugh at the newbie....but it DOES fit me perfectly :)
 

Belegnole

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I wish you luck in you bartering!

I got 30% off on a hat jack/stretcher purchase at a antique show yesterday...
 

carter

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GWD, In a couple of pages of beautiful Cavanaghs, it's nice to see your Milan. Great hat.
I sent a Cavanagh by Mossant that I had to Brad Bowers. Perhaps he'll post some pictures.
 

warmentrout

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Here are my two. I've posted them before in the new hats thread, I think.

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This one had some real problems and my solution to fixing/hiding them was to make it a porkpie. This was a total new everything including redyeing it.

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Brad Bowers

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carter said:
I sent a Cavanagh by Mossant that I had to Brad Bowers. Perhaps he'll post some pictures.
Lefty said:
Whhaaa? This sounds interesting.

It's been on my list of things to do.:eek:

If I don't get to it tomorrow afternoon, I'll have time Tuesday.

Brad
 

Brad Bowers

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Cavanagh Mossant Tuxedo Hat

Well, I didn't have time until Thursday.:eusa_doh:

This is a Tuxedo Hat made for Cavanagh by Mossant, and probably sold at the Cavanagh shop on Park Avenue. Cavanagh offered the same style of hat in their 1931 catalog. No idea why they imported this one.

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The ribbon is most definitely Cavanagh, as are the hat's dimensions: 5 1/2" crown, 2 1/4" brim.

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The interesting thing about this hat is the entire underside of the brim, the sweatband, and the liner is grosgrain, like the lapel facing of a tuxedo jacket.

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Here's the catalog hat:
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No idea when this hat was made. There is a Mossant label under the liner, but the sweat is stitched to the liner, so there is no way for me to get a photo of it. Looks old to me, but then, I've never seen a Mossant label.

The felt is very soft, little shellac in it, if any at all. With the grosgrain sweatband, this hat is crushable, so perhaps it was meant to be a Traveler's Tuxedo Hat.

Much thanks to Carter for this fantastic Cavanagh!:eusa_clap

I'll have another very interesting Cavanagh to share when it arrives in a few days.

Brad
 

Dreispitz

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Interesting piece, indeed! I have never seen such a hat with a silk underbrim (guess this is the first time for quite a while that this term is written. lol Here, it is, once more: S I L K U N D E R B R I M), before.

Would be interesting to know, if it was widely spread, at all, in times, when the Top Hat was still en vogue and worn for dinner suit and tails events, up to later wartimes and after.
 

Lefty

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Brad Bowers said:
perhaps it was meant to be a Traveler's Tuxedo Hat.

for the unfortunate folks who couldn't afford a second hat carrying servant? :p

Very nice. :eusa_clap
 

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