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Italian brands hats
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Cambiaghi (part II)
The company was (rightly) proud of the international awards they won and made a point of mentioning those in their advertising and on their hats. Here 5 grand prix are mentioned, but I could not find trademarks for the situation for 7 grand prix and 9 grand prix, which was mentioned on their hats and in advertising.
1928
1932
Here is a later advertising piece, which mentions the prizes won.
The company was (rightly) proud of the international awards they won and made a point of mentioning those in their advertising and on their hats. Here 5 grand prix are mentioned, but I could not find trademarks for the situation for 7 grand prix and 9 grand prix, which was mentioned on their hats and in advertising.
1928
1932
Here is a later advertising piece, which mentions the prizes won.
That Italian archive is a gold mine, Stefan, and one of those rabbit holes well worth going down.
Thanks for the new findings.
May I suggest you start a whole new thread where these trademark patents are gathered together.
Thanks, Steve. I could start a new thread, but it would sink low pretty quickly after all the trademarks I can find have been posted. Choices, choices...
It was just a thought. I was thinking along the lines of those that follow the thread would be easily able to find it again. I'm afraid your postings would get lost and forgotten in the individuel threads.
That might just be me though, and I definitely don't want to create extra work for you, Stefan
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My thoughts too, Steve. Along with these, I'm sure there many such historical documents spread across TFL that could, in my opinion, be consolidated in a Historical Documents forum, or even as a separate thread on the Home page to simplify or at least focus future searches for such historical artifacts. I hope the bartenders are reading.
It was just a thought. I was thinking along the lines of those that follow the thread would be easily able to find it again. I'm afraid your postings would get lost and forgotten in the individuel threads.
That might just be me though, and I definitely don't want to create extra work for you, Stefan
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Another treasure, Stefan! Thanks! The Ad with the wool felts "production" is to fall in love with
So there are 9 grand prix won from 1910 and after and 8 (or more) before 1900?
It's a bit hard to say really. I think even Cambiaghi themselves lost track along the way. I think their current website mentions 8 grands prix, like that liner, when there were 9 before. Maybe they lost one because of doping?Another treasure, Stefan! Thanks! The Ad with the wool felts "production" is to fall in love with
So there are 9 grand prix won from 1910 and after and 8 (or more) before 1900?
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Panfilo fedora in a grey colour called "Taro" (a river in Italy). Size 57 with the bound brim at 6cm and the crown at 10cm at the center dent. Lightweight at 98 grams and thin felt with a nice hand to it, despite the fact that the moths tried a nibble here and there. Great shark gill bow on it as well. Reminds me a lot of my Champ featherweight hat. Panfilo is a trademark of Panizza since 1939.
La Scala Fedora.
The brim is 6.5cm (2.5"). Crown height at the front dent 10cm (4"). Ribbon 3.7cm (1.4").
The thin sweatband is 4.7cm (1.8")
Some nice features like the contrasting bronze crosgrain ribbon and bow treatment, the thin brim binding, and the subtly delicate 4 line brim stitching.
I think this is only the second La Scala to appear here. The first was a post from Stefan. See link below.
Post in thread 'Italian brands hats' https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/italian-brands-hats.60339/post-2516926
Mine came via Stefan too. So grateful for him adding this La Scala to the mix of recent acquisitions.
Sadly, this one doesn't have the nice La Scala, Milano liner his does.
It has a Borsalino type looking label in contrast to Stefan's quite clearly Panizza made La Scala.
I think this is a keeper
The brim is 6.5cm (2.5"). Crown height at the front dent 10cm (4"). Ribbon 3.7cm (1.4").
The thin sweatband is 4.7cm (1.8")
Some nice features like the contrasting bronze crosgrain ribbon and bow treatment, the thin brim binding, and the subtly delicate 4 line brim stitching.
I think this is only the second La Scala to appear here. The first was a post from Stefan. See link below.
Post in thread 'Italian brands hats' https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/italian-brands-hats.60339/post-2516926
Mine came via Stefan too. So grateful for him adding this La Scala to the mix of recent acquisitions.
Sadly, this one doesn't have the nice La Scala, Milano liner his does.
It has a Borsalino type looking label in contrast to Stefan's quite clearly Panizza made La Scala.
I think this is a keeper
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Nothing really to think twice there. Definitely a keeper my friend. Love the contrasting trims
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Panizza under its own brand this time. Notice the liner though which is in the exact style as the Panfilo posted a few posts above.
Panizza Marca Oro fedora in a brown colour called Malta. Size 56 with the raw edge brim at 6,5cm and the crown at 11cm at the center dent. Wonderful almost chamois like finish to the felt and it weighs in at 105 grams.
Panizza Marca Oro fedora in a brown colour called Malta. Size 56 with the raw edge brim at 6,5cm and the crown at 11cm at the center dent. Wonderful almost chamois like finish to the felt and it weighs in at 105 grams.
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John Valtz & C. Andorno Micca "Extra", measures 58cm, missing Paper Label. This came from a seller in Berlin and I am not sure on the dating. The liner is stitched in place but I am fairly certain there were later modifications (ribbon / bow and over welt). Regardless it has a really great look and the felt is really fantastic. John Valtz & C. Andorno Micca is connected with Gosso Valtz and Co. so hopefully Daniele will comment (see link).
[URL]https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/italian-brands-hats.60339/page-27#post-2860122[/URL]
[URL]https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/italian-brands-hats.60339/page-27#post-2860122[/URL]
Again, wonderful find of a very rare brand hat, Steve. And a good looking hat it is too. The "The art of the hat of Valle Cervo" book contains some pictures of the John Valtz factory and the Grosso Valtz factory as well:John Valtz & C. Andorno Micca "Extra", measures 58cm, missing Paper Label. This came from a seller in Berlin and I am not sure on the dating. The liner is stitched in place but I am fairly certain there were later modifications (ribbon / bow and over welt). Regardless it has a really great look and the felt is really fantastic. John Valtz & C. Andorno Micca is connected with Gosso Valtz and Co. so hopefully Daniele will comment (see link).
[URL]https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/italian-brands-hats.60339/page-27#post-2860122[/URL]
John Valtz
Grosso Valtz
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It is rare to find hats branded only with the name "John Valtz" which I suspect is a pseudonym given the location of the hat shop in the photograph posted by Stefan. As can be seen from the image, this is a humble farmhouse in the Cervo valley, while the Grosso&Valtz headquarters has more the appearance of a workshop for making hats. The hat is beautiful and perhaps readjusted at some point in its long life. I assume that John Valtz survived the Second World War because in the very rare hats seen, some have post-war finishes, shapes and characteristics. Now I don't have the chance to go and see those two in my possession, but they are Grosso&Valtz. One is for sale here https://www.vinted.it/items/4206275...o-valtz-biella-nuovo-size-53?referrer=catalog
it has an impossible size and moth walks carpet, but it is a homburg
From an Italian site concerning industrial landscape
The Grosso Valz & C. hat factory was founded in Andorno in 1885 on the initiative of 15 hat makers as a general partnership. The hatmaker Maggiorino Guasco was at the helm of the company for many years.
In the 1920s the company renovated and expanded the premises for the conversion of the manufacturing cycle from manual to mechanical, thanks to the purchase of the first machines.
Subsequently the building was sold to the Valeggia family who set up a wool dyeing factory there.
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Stefan, Thank you for the photos of both locations.
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Daniele, Thank you for the follow up! Yes, Grosso Valtz is a factory building and not John Valtz. This the last info I could find on John Valtz from 1963 and 1966.It is rare to find hats branded only with the name "John Valtz" which I suspect is a pseudonym given the location of the hat shop in the photograph posted by Stefan. As can be seen from the image, this is a humble farmhouse in the Cervo valley, while the Grosso&Valtz headquarters has more the appearance of a workshop for making hats. The hat is beautiful and perhaps readjusted at some point in its long life. I assume that John Valtz survived the Second World War because in the very rare hats seen, some have post-war finishes, shapes and characteristics. Now I don't have the chance to go and see those two in my possession, but they are Grosso&Valtz. One is for sale here https://www.vinted.it/items/4206275...o-valtz-biella-nuovo-size-53?referrer=catalog
it has an impossible size and moth walks carpet, but it is a homburg
From an Italian site concerning industrial landscape
The Grosso Valz & C. hat factory was founded in Andorno in 1885 on the initiative of 15 hat makers as a general partnership. The hatmaker Maggiorino Guasco was at the helm of the company for many years.
In the 1920s the company renovated and expanded the premises for the conversion of the manufacturing cycle from manual to mechanical, thanks to the purchase of the first machines.
Subsequently the building was sold to the Valeggia family who set up a wool dyeing factory there.
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1963 Bottin Europe - Page 6, John Valtz & C. S.p.A. , v . Corte Pietro 18 , Andorno Micca ( Vercelli )
1966 Bottin International - Page 548, Andorno ( Vercelli ) . Valtz John & C. s.a. , 18 v . P. Corte
I couldn't find a via Corte Pietro 18 but in general via Corte Pietro looks similar to Stefan's photo of John Valtz.
I found this from "Annuario delle Camere di Commercio italiane all'estero commercio estero e turismo
1943" that lists John Valtz & C.S.A. as an exporter of rabbit fur felt hats and rabbit fur felt which makes sense based on the address.
