The Cavanagh Club

[Blare]

Additional pics of my 1933-35 Cavanagh, color Park Brown. Has 2 1/4 inch brim, not 3 inch as claimed by seller. Note the sweatband is stamped with a Cavanagh Edge patent emblem which seems to be an evolution of the earlier rare "Cavanagh Made" stamp referred to by Brad Bowers aka The Hatted Professor. There were 4 paper tags in the hat and a remnant of a 5th. 2 of them are identical, the ones which say Park Brown on them. There's no Union tag. There is the NRA tag

What a crown! Very Thirties. Great find.

 

[Blare]

I have the same Cavanagh stamp on my new /old Dobbs Lords hat I was able to pick up from Bob @BobHufford . This one has a very generous 6 inch crown (open).

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That’s a beauty, Randy.

 

[Rmccamey]

Thanks, Joe.

That’s a beauty, Randy.

 

[BobHufford]

Got this nice Cavanagh "Grabron" from Jonathan (@TheOldFashioned ) as part of a trade. With the Cavanage Edge of course. It fits great and I love it! I'll probably tweak the crease a bit. I spent maybe five seconds on this one.

 

[MikeinRome]

During the period from about 1950 to about 1955, the Cavanagh logo was unique to this small window of time. About 1950, the name John Cavanagh was dropped for simply Cavanagh, but the old address of Park Ave at 47th Street was retained. About 1955, that address was dropped to read simply New York. So hat liners of this period are easy to identify. Besides this, I believe there was a mfg tag or reorder tag that might possibly have been unique to this period. I don't know how many hats it appeared in, but I've found 6 so far, all with this same tag and all from this same early 50's liner logo period. For some reason, when Brad Bowers, the Hatted Professor, was writing his article on dating Cavanagh hats, he never mentioned this type of tag. I'm attaching 2 photos of this type of tag...... I've found 5 hats with these tags so far: on pg 18, 22, 24, 25, and 38. The 6th is being sent to me. Trying to figure out the tag in this 6th hat is what got me involved in this investigation.

 

[deadlyhandsome]

Got this nice Cavanagh "Grabron" from Jonathan (@TheOldFashioned ) as part of a trade. With the Cavanage Edge of course. It fits great and I love it! I'll probably tweak the crease a bit. I spent maybe five seconds on this one.

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I know I’m late, but I had to say that this is a fantastic hat. I love the Twentys and this is a favorite color combination.

 

[BobHufford]

I know I’m late, but I had to say that this is a fantastic hat. I love the Twentys and this is a favorite color combination.

Thanks Brent! I was boxing it up yesterday and had to fondle it a bit before putting it away.

 

[TheOldFashioned]

During the period from about 1950 to about 1955, the Cavanagh logo was unique to this small window of time. About 1950, the name John Cavanagh was dropped for simply Cavanagh, but the old address of Park Ave at 47th Street was retained. About 1955, that address was dropped to read simply New York. So hat liners of this period are easy to identify. Besides this, I believe there was a mfg tag or reorder tag that might possibly have been unique to this period. I don't know how many hats it appeared in, but I've found 4 so far, all with this same tag and all from this same early 50's liner logo period. For some reason, when Brad Bowers, the Hatted Professor, was writing his article on dating Cavanagh hats, he never mentioned this type of tag. I'm attaching 2 photos of this type of tag. I've gone through the first 24 pgs of this thread and found 3 hats with these tags so far: on pg 18, 22, and 24. The 4th is being sent to me.

An example of this tag can be found on his Dobbs page from 1938:

Another example can be found on a Dobbs that I have as well:

https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/the-dobbs-diner.18579/post-2608299

 

[MikeinRome]

An example of this tag can be found on his Dobbs page from 1938:
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Another example can be found on a Dobbs that I have as well:

https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/the-dobbs-diner.18579/post-2608299

Very interesting. I was wondering if any other Hatco companies used this tag.... Correction -HCA companies.

 

[deadlyhandsome]

Very interesting. I was wondering if any other Hatco companies used this tag.

I think it was Hat Corporation of America (hat Corp.) and not Hatco…I think. Hatco is a different entity; although, they do now own the rights to some brands that were once part of Hat Corp. If you know different I’d love to learn.

 

[DaveProc]

I think it was Hat Corporation of America (hat Corp.) and not Hatco…I think. Hatco is a different entity; although, they do now own the rights to some brands that were once part of Hat Corp. If you know different I’d love to learn.

Yes, they are two different companies. Hatco was founded in the mid-1990s and
I believe HCOA was dissolved in the early 70s.
@Hurricane Jack can shed some light on it

 

[MikeinRome]

I think it was Hat Corporation of America (hat Corp.) and not Hatco…I think. Hatco is a different entity; although, they do now own the rights to some brands that were once part of Hat Corp. If you know different I’d love to learn.

Thanks, Brent. I got in the habit of calling them Hatco, and even after I knew that wasn't correct, lazy thinking kept me from using the proper name. I'll try to do better!

 

[deadlyhandsome]

Thanks, Brent. I got in the habit of calling them Hatco, and even after I knew that wasn't correct, lazy thinking kept me from using the proper name. I'll try to do better!

I’m a hat enthusiast, but my hat scholarship isn’t very deep. I just can’t seem to keep it all straight in my head. The early days of TFL was fantastic with some really knowledgeable folks. We continue to mine their old posts, and even with most of the photos gone there are some real nuggets to be found. We still have some of that here, but mostly those members have drifted away. I appreciate you bringing the old school style research, knowledge, and supporting evidence with your posts.

 

[MikeinRome]

I’m a hat enthusiast, but my hat scholarship isn’t very deep. I just can’t seem to keep it all straight in my head. The early days of TFL was fantastic with some really knowledgeable folks. We continue to mine their old posts, and even with most of the photos gone there are some real nuggets to be found. We still have some of that here, but mostly those members have drifted away. I appreciate you bringing the old school style research, knowledge, and supporting evidence with your posts.

Thanks again. I seem to have a natural drive to figure things out. Some comes from my early years as an archeologist of sorts, and some from decades of doing genealogy or family research.

 

[deadlyhandsome]

Thanks again. I seem to have a natural drive to figure things out. Some comes from my early years as an archeologist of sorts, and some from decades of doing genealogy or family research.

Genealogy has always been a big deal in my family. I can remember going out with my dad when I was very young and we would visit cemeteries looking for dates of our kindred dead. I do now but it’s almost all online. It’s amazing that after all the time there are still family members being found and connections being made. It’s a great work.

 

[MikeinRome]

Genealogy has always been a big deal in my family. I can remember going out with my dad when I was very young and we would visit cemeteries looking for dates of our kindred dead. I do now but it’s almost all online. It’s amazing that after all the time there are still family members being found and connections being made. It’s a great work.

Hat collecting and genealogy, both highly addictive, and I definitely have an addictive personality.

 

[MikeinRome]

1950-55 Cavanagh, a Western style, 2 3/4 brim, 5 1/2 open crown. One of the hats from this era having unusual mfg tags as mentioned in my posts above here. Trying to date this hat is what led to writing these posts.

 

[deadlyhandsome]

Tan felt with a 2 ⅛” wide old copper ribbon. The brim is 2 ½” wide and the open crown is 5 ½” tall. Wonderful mid-weight felt with an incredibly soft crown. Size 7 ¼ (not sure why it was marked over, it is a 7 ¼).

 

[Blare]

Tan felt with a 2 ⅛” wide old copper ribbon. The brim is 2 ½” wide and the open crown is 5 ½” tall. Wonderful mid-weight felt with an incredibly soft crown. Size 7 ¼ (not sure why it was marked over, it is a 7 ¼).

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A beauty

 

[TheOldFashioned]

Heathered spiral stitched brim Cavanagh:

Crown	5-1/2" (open)
Brim	2-5/8" with 5/16 Cavanagh Edge
Ribbon	13/16"
Weight	141g