Modern Male Identity Crisis

[AtomicEraTom]

Rue, all of that just makes me sick. It's men like that who make all men look bad. You don't mistreat women and you don't mistreat children. There's no ifs, ands, or buts involved in it. That's how it's supposed to be.

 

[rue]

I know Tommy.... it's all over now and everything is fine. A lot of people have it worse and I know that, but I tend to get a bit riled when people push buttons, that's all.

No need to bring out the guns or anything

 

[AtomicEraTom]

Doggone it! I was already way ahead of you!

No need to bring out the guns or anything

 

[rue]

Down little brother down! :rofl:

 

[Red Diabla]

One thing I do find disconcerting about modern self-proclaimed feminists is the fact that from what I see, they only support other women who are on the liberal side of politics... Observation, not an invite to get into a political debate.

Meh, I don't think that's true. There are some people who identify as feminists who put down women who choose a more traditional/conservative lifestyle...until it's pointed out that feminism is about the personal choice to pursue whatever lifestyle a woman chooses, and having the equal options as men to reach those goals. The problem comes in where women who aren't feminists will take advantage of the wider choices feminism has brought, and try to take away life decisions from other women. Confounding, really.

RD

 

[scottyrocks]

It's human nature. Years ago I was on a pro-choice rally in Albany. I was one one of over a thousand bikes riding into the nation's capitol to attempt to convince lawmakers to rescind our state's helmet law.

Of the thousand or so bikes, I was one of maybe a half dozen who chose to wear my helmet. I was asked why I was wearing a helmet at an anti-helmet rally. Each time I explained that it was a pro-choice rally, not an anti-helmet rally. If they wanted the ability to make is that much easier to splatter their brains across the pavement, then I was going to help, not because I wanted anyone to splatter their brains across the pavement, but because I believe in the right to choose.

Most people understood, but it is easy to see how focus shifts in some people's minds.

 

[jamespowers]

Rue, all of that just makes me sick. It's men like that who make all men look bad. You don't mistreat women and you don't mistreat children. There's no ifs, ands, or buts involved in it. That's how it's supposed to be.

And that is another thing that we have lost. Men in the golden era knew well that bad apples taint the whole in some minds. If a guy beat his wife, knocked his children around or acted like a real jerk to his family etc then they took the jerk aside and gave him an attitude adjustment.

 

[LizzieMaine]

It's human nature. Years ago I was on a pro-choice rally in Albany. I was one one of over a thousand bikes riding into the nation's capitol to attempt to convince lawmakers to rescind our state's helmet law.

Of the thousand or so bikes, I was one of maybe a half dozen who chose to wear my helmet. I was asked why I was wearing a helmet at an anti-helmet rally. Each time I explained that it was a pro-choice rally, not an anti-helmet rally. If they wanted the ability to make is that much easier to splatter their brains across the pavement, then I was going to help, not because I wanted anyone to splatter their brains across the pavement, but because I believe in the right to choose.

Most people understood, but it is easy to see how focus shifts in some people's minds.

In a nutshell, that's the difference between a philosophy and an ideology. Modern culture has way too much of the latter and not enough of the former.

 

[Yeps]

Rue, all of that just makes me sick. It's men like that who make all men look bad. You don't mistreat women and you don't mistreat children. There's no ifs, ands, or buts involved in it. That's how it's supposed to be.

Agreed.

I know Tommy.... it's all over now and everything is fine. A lot of people have it worse and I know that, but I tend to get a bit riled when people push buttons, that's all.

No need to bring out the guns or anything

No need for guns. If I break his thumbs I think he will get the message. If not, I have a friend from Queens who likes baseball, and doesn't like kneecaps.[/just kidding, but seriously...]

 

[rue]

Agreed.



No need for guns. If I break his thumbs I think he will get the message. If not, I have a friend from Queens who likes baseball, and doesn't like kneecaps.[/just kidding, but seriously...]

lol... you're so sweet Yeps..... thank you

 

[sheeplady]

And that is another thing that we have lost. Men in the golden era knew well that bad apples taint the whole in some minds. If a guy beat his wife, knocked his children around or acted like a real jerk to his family etc then they took the jerk aside and gave him an attitude adjustment.

I'm not one to advocate violence as a first choice for dealing with domestic violence; however, sometimes people run out of options or need to make sure they are safe. Victims may have more options today than back then to get away (shelters, assistance), but having more options doesn't always mean they are available to a person. And lots of people seek help and can't get it. But a lot of people seem to think that the fact that options exist mean that the victim is responsible for the abuse, because obviously people don't need to stay in relationships anymore because they had "options."

At least two recent cases I remember hearing about in the local news the domestic violence victim was actively being attacked and still was sent to jail for murder when they killed their attacker during the attack. And it was all tainted with "Well, she could have gone to a shelter" victim-blaming.

 

[jamespowers]

I'm not one to advocate violence as a first choice for dealing with domestic violence; however, sometimes people run out of options or need to make sure they are safe. Victims may have more options today than back then to get away (shelters, assistance), but having more options doesn't always mean they are available to a person. And lots of people seek help and can't get it. But a lot of people seem to think that the fact that options exist mean that the victim is responsible for the abuse, because obviously people don't need to stay in relationships anymore because they had "options."

At least two recent cases I remember hearing about in the local news the domestic violence victim was actively being attacked and still was sent to jail for murder when they killed their attacker during the attack. And it was all tainted with "Well, she could have gone to a shelter" victim-blaming.

The factor missing in what I said was that in those days, families lived closer together so a woman in that situation would have a brother, father or other relative to intervene. They could also go to their family to get away. Families are not so close today as they were back then.
It is very hard now to tell who did what and courts are even further divorced from the situation. As we move further away from the functional nuclear family, solutions rely more on the letter of the law rather than what the situation actually is.:eusa_doh:

 

[C-dot]

And that is another thing that we have lost. Men in the golden era knew well that bad apples taint the whole in some minds. If a guy beat his wife, knocked his children around or acted like a real jerk to his family etc then they took the jerk aside and gave him an attitude adjustment.

Oh, you couldn't do that now at all - That wouldn't be minding one's own business, the hallowed doctrine of today.

 

[LizzieMaine]

That's one thing I'll say for my father. He never raised a hand to my mother. Because her father, before they were married, promised, in a very matter of fact way, to kill him if ever he did.

 

[AtomicEraTom]

That's what fathers are supposed to do!

Because her father, before they were married, promised, in a very matter of fact way, to kill him if ever he did.

 

[jamespowers]

Oh, you couldn't do that now at all - That wouldn't be minding one's own business, the hallowed doctrine of today.

Interesting how the stupid choices of others always tends to cost us money though.

 

[jamespowers]

That's one thing I'll say for my father. He never raised a hand to my mother. Because her father, before they were married, promised, in a very matter of fact way, to kill him if ever he did.

Sounds good to me. It worked. Sometimes just a small visual works just fine too.

 

[jamespowers]

That's what fathers are supposed to do!

And sometimes brothers eh?

 

[AtomicEraTom]

Yep, brothers too. Any good man knows you are to defend the honor of a woman.

And sometimes brothers eh?

 

[jamespowers]

Yep, brothers too. Any good man knows you are to defend the honor of a woman.

I have a feeling Diogenes would be even harder pressed to find as such today.