Italian brands hats

[Daniele Tanto]

Daniele, Thanks! I really like the Type Face on "Selecta". The use of the word "Gran" tends to make me think it might be Italian but that could be market related. I seem to recall I had a couple of hats with the "Record" mark but probably just a time period marking. Are there any markings on the inside of the Sweatband?

The Eagle on the liner automatically made me think German. Could Daniele's hat be linked to this pre-war Harald I have, which looks quite similar.

This is a really great hat, Daniele!
If it was my size I would rip it out of your hands...

When I saw it, I immediately thought of a French manufacture - but only a gut feeling!
Then I looked again more closely at the Details I noticed the very special ribbon treatment
with the great bow, that reminded me of the French Esperazano hat.
https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/french-hats-and-makers.36690/page-37#post-2818511

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Ciao Steve,
inside the sweatband there rea four numbers stamped with blue ink: 3286. Nothing else
The lining seems to be made with short of material, but also it seems degraded by time.

Ciao Steve,
the eagle was a simbol used all throughout Europe and from the manufacturer he hat seems more made here, but it is only my guess

Ciao Matthias,
the hat, like the one marked "Velour" size 58 of the same Mantova find, have the look, shape and felt typical of the twenties or thirties as well as the manufacture like most of the European hats of that period. The bow is made in a very accurate way and very few I have seen so perfect in hats of those years. Looking at it and comparing it with other Italian hats of the period it looks like a hat made in the Cervo valley, that is, by someone in the sphere of Barbisio, Cappellificio Cervo or Grosso Valtz & CIA. The Italian manufacturers were specialized in marking their hats with convenient names, due to the unbridled commercial competition.
However it remains a high quality hat, too small for most of us

 

[mayserwegener]

Ciao Steve,
inside the sweatband there rea four numbers stamped with blue ink: 3286. Nothing else
The lining seems to be made with short of material, but also it seems degraded by time.

Daniele, Sorry for my late reply. Thank you for checking.

 

[Daniele Tanto]

For the series "Beautiful and impossible" this is the chapter one"

In the second wave of hats from Mantua and surroundings, not as high as the first, but very interesting, there are candidates for the category mentioned above.

Giuseppe Cambiaghi - Monza size 54 or 3 1/2 France scale and 6 3/4in the USA.

Probably built in the early years of the last century as per details and interior.

The felt is almost exclusively woven in wool for a final effect of heather with blue and gray tones.

The shape is imposing and the bow is on the back, the brims are over-stitched.

It arrived in good condition and, luckily for us collectors, it remained on the shelves of some shops near Mantua.

In the lining there is the mark of Giuseppe Cambiaghi that mentions the "Grand Prix" won and the newest is from 1902, so that is an indication of a possible construction.


The measurements are as follows: the brims are 7cm, the ribbon, still with the basting, is 5cm and the crown, at the lowest point, is 12cm.

On the one hand I am happy to have found it, on the other I regret it is so small, but alas there are others that go to reinforce the series of "Beautiful and impossible"

 

[PanosChris]

Wow, what a gem Daniele!!! Mixed feelings though seeing these old beauties in that size, close but not quite...

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Wow, what a gem Daniele!!! Mixed feelings though seeing these old beauties in that size, close but not quite...

I agree with you Panos.
"Beautiful and impossible" is an open chapter especially with the hats found in Mantua and its surroundings, plus a few others that I bought blindly. What is certain is that small sizes cause bad thoughts and at the same time preserve the desire to sell them. With this "Cambiaghi" there are six beautiful, rare hats and "useless" size 54 - 55 in my collection.
Others will come ...

 

[steur]

For the series "Beautiful and impossible" this is the chapter one"

In the second wave of hats from Mantua and surroundings, not as high as the first, but very interesting, there are candidates for the category mentioned above.

Giuseppe Cambiaghi - Monza size 54 or 3 1/2 France scale and 6 3/4in the USA.

Probably built in the early years of the last century as per details and interior.

The felt is almost exclusively woven in wool for a final effect of heather with blue and gray tones.

The shape is imposing and the bow is on the back, the brims are over-stitched.

It arrived in good condition and, luckily for us collectors, it remained on the shelves of some shops near Mantua.

In the lining there is the mark of Giuseppe Cambiaghi that mentions the "Grand Prix" won and the newest is from 1902, so that is an indication of a possible construction.


The measurements are as follows: the brims are 7cm, the ribbon, still with the basting, is 5cm and the crown, at the lowest point, is 12cm.

On the one hand I am happy to have found it, on the other I regret it is so small, but alas there are others that go to reinforce the series of "Beautiful and impossible"

That has got to be just about the perfect felt. What a hat! Makes me want to go down to my lair and make evil plans to upsize it to fit me!

 

[steur]

Cervo Super Bantam loden felt in misto cenere (ashes). Size 57 with the overwelt brim at 6cm and the crown at 11,5cm at the center dent. Unlined en NOS. Another one sent up north to enlighten the barbaric hordes by @Daniele Tanto (grazie mille!). Let the pictures speak for themselves.

 

[PanosChris]

That has got to be just about the perfect felt. What a hat! Makes me want to go down to my lair and make evil plans to upsize it to fit me!

Please wait for your turn Stefan, I just shaved my head

 

[PanosChris]

Cervo Super Bantam loden felt in misto cenere (ashes). Size 57 with the overwelt brim at 6cm and the crown at 11,5cm at the center dent. Unlined en NOS. Another one sent up north to enlighten the barbaric hordes by @Daniele Tanto (grazie mille!). Let the pictures speak for themselves.

Another great one!

 

[steur]

Please wait for your turn Stefan, I just shaved my head

I'll tell the sharks to load up the lasers!

Another great one!

Thanks! Very pleased with adding another heather to the fold.

 

[Daniele Tanto]

For the series "Beautiful and impossible" this is the second chapter"

The second wave of hats from Mantua and surroundings, contains beautiful and impossible and some curiosities

John Valtz - Andorno - Biella size 54 or 3 1/2 France scale and 6 3/4in the USA, even if it is not indicated the internal dimension are the same of a 54 cm.

The hat factory that built this beauty is in the same area (Valle del Cervo), about fifteen kilometers from Sagliano, home of Barbisio and Cappellificio Cervo. It had the trademark registration in 1931 as Gosso Valtz and Co. but had been operating since the end of the nineteenth century.

This hat is signed only by one of the partners, I believe from the manufacture in the 1950s.

The paper label, too dry, is present and tells us that the quality is "Osiris" and the color "Muflone".

The felt is superb in color and short fur finish. It is unlined

In my collection I have only one Grosso Valtz hat and it is a fantastic hat, but they are very scarce.
It arrived in new conditions.
The measurements are as follows: the raw brims are 6.5cm, the low ribbon, is 2cm and the crown, at the lowest point, is 10.5cm.

The series of "Beautiful and impossible" goes on...

 

[Daniele Tanto]

This is the curiosity in the discovery of Mantua

I recognize my total ignorance for western or cowboy hats as they were called in Italy when I was a boy

so pardon me for my not so accurate description.

This is a product of one of the hatters, Carlo Sala, of Monza who have remained active almost to the present day.
Probably made in the Sixties or Seventies, it is a hat that has the Italian interpretation of the western hat.

Super Sala size 57 centimeters or 7 1/8 in the USA.

Felt is thick, wrinkled and sturdy, mostly made of wool. It can be molded with a good dose of steam, keeps its shape without problems and seems made to be subjected to any weather.

The lining is extremely neat and features the colors of a fancy woven felt ribbon.

The hat is signed "St Charly's"
The measurements are as follows: the raw brim is 8cm, the ribbon is 2cm and the crown at its minimum point is 11cm.

The hat had this shape despite being inserted in another and after a brushing here it is to ride in the Po Valley or in a more appropriate western landscape

 

[BobHufford]

For the series "Beautiful and impossible" this is the second chapter"

I love everything about this one Daniele. Thanks for sharing!

 

[PanosChris]

For the series "Beautiful and impossible" this is the second chapter"

The second wave of hats from Mantua and surroundings, contains beautiful and impossible and some curiosities

John Valtz - Andorno - Biella size 54 or 3 1/2 France scale and 6 3/4in the USA, even if it is not indicated the internal dimension are the same of a 54 cm.

The hat factory that built this beauty is in the same area (Valle del Cervo), about fifteen kilometers from Sagliano, home of Barbisio and Cappellificio Cervo. It had the trademark registration in 1931 as Gosso Valtz and Co. but had been operating since the end of the nineteenth century.

This hat is signed only by one of the partners, I believe from the manufacture in the 1950s.

The paper label, too dry, is present and tells us that the quality is "Osiris" and the color "Muflone".

The felt is superb in color and short fur finish. It is unlined

In my collection I have only one Grosso Valtz hat and it is a fantastic hat, but they are very scarce.
It arrived in new conditions.
The measurements are as follows: the raw brims are 6.5cm, the low ribbon, is 2cm and the crown, at the lowest point, is 10.5cm.

The series of "Beautiful and impossible" goes on...

It's almost painful, the only way to avoid this is to forget about the size and admire them as a museum piece...regardless, phenomenal hats and finds Daniele!

 

[mayserwegener]

For the series "Beautiful and impossible" this is the chapter one"

In the second wave of hats from Mantua and surroundings, not as high as the first, but very interesting, there are candidates for the category mentioned above.

Giuseppe Cambiaghi - Monza size 54 or 3 1/2 France scale and 6 3/4in the USA.

Probably built in the early years of the last century as per details and interior.

The felt is almost exclusively woven in wool for a final effect of heather with blue and gray tones.

The shape is imposing and the bow is on the back, the brims are over-stitched.

It arrived in good condition and, luckily for us collectors, it remained on the shelves of some shops near Mantua.

In the lining there is the mark of Giuseppe Cambiaghi that mentions the "Grand Prix" won and the newest is from 1902, so that is an indication of a possible construction.


The measurements are as follows: the brims are 7cm, the ribbon, still with the basting, is 5cm and the crown, at the lowest point, is 12cm.

On the one hand I am happy to have found it, on the other I regret it is so small, but alas there are others that go to reinforce the series of "Beautiful and impossible"

Daniele, This is a real beauty! The Felt has such a great look. Also classic Form.

 

[mayserwegener]

For the series "Beautiful and impossible" this is the second chapter"

The second wave of hats from Mantua and surroundings, contains beautiful and impossible and some curiosities

John Valtz - Andorno - Biella size 54 or 3 1/2 France scale and 6 3/4in the USA, even if it is not indicated the internal dimension are the same of a 54 cm.

The hat factory that built this beauty is in the same area (Valle del Cervo), about fifteen kilometers from Sagliano, home of Barbisio and Cappellificio Cervo. It had the trademark registration in 1931 as Gosso Valtz and Co. but had been operating since the end of the nineteenth century.

This hat is signed only by one of the partners, I believe from the manufacture in the 1950s.

The paper label, too dry, is present and tells us that the quality is "Osiris" and the color "Muflone".

The felt is superb in color and short fur finish. It is unlined

In my collection I have only one Grosso Valtz hat and it is a fantastic hat, but they are very scarce.
It arrived in new conditions.
The measurements are as follows: the raw brims are 6.5cm, the low ribbon, is 2cm and the crown, at the lowest point, is 10.5cm.

The series of "Beautiful and impossible" goes on...

Daniele, Another great find! Great Color and Finish. Also like the Band color / width. I remember your fantastic early Grosso Valtz.

 

[steur]

For the series "Beautiful and impossible" this is the second chapter"

The second wave of hats from Mantua and surroundings, contains beautiful and impossible and some curiosities

John Valtz - Andorno - Biella size 54 or 3 1/2 France scale and 6 3/4in the USA, even if it is not indicated the internal dimension are the same of a 54 cm.

The hat factory that built this beauty is in the same area (Valle del Cervo), about fifteen kilometers from Sagliano, home of Barbisio and Cappellificio Cervo. It had the trademark registration in 1931 as Gosso Valtz and Co. but had been operating since the end of the nineteenth century.

This hat is signed only by one of the partners, I believe from the manufacture in the 1950s.

The paper label, too dry, is present and tells us that the quality is "Osiris" and the color "Muflone".

The felt is superb in color and short fur finish. It is unlined

In my collection I have only one Grosso Valtz hat and it is a fantastic hat, but they are very scarce.
It arrived in new conditions.
The measurements are as follows: the raw brims are 6.5cm, the low ribbon, is 2cm and the crown, at the lowest point, is 10.5cm.

The series of "Beautiful and impossible" goes on...

Now that is one fabulous hat.

 

[Daniele Tanto]

I love everything about this one Daniele. Thanks for sharing!

It's almost painful, the only way to avoid this is to forget about the size and admire them as a museum piece...regardless, phenomenal hats and finds Daniele!

Daniele, This is a real beauty! The Felt has such a great look. Also classic Form.

Daniele, Another great find! Great Color and Finish. Also like the Band color / width. I remember your fantastic early Grosso Valtz.

Now that is one fabulous hat.

Thanks Bob. I have the illusion for a couple of minutes it was wearable
Panos the museum is far to come, for now they are sleeping in a box
Steve both are a sort of excellent/bad find. They are rare and beautiful, but unwearable at all, a sad condition
Stefan, I afree with some upsetting

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Near Ghiffa, exactly 7 kilometers to the south, on the shores of Lake Maggiore, the "Albertini" was founded in 1817, probably the oldest Italian hat factory in modern times.

Albertini size 57cm and 7 1/8 in US.

All the indications on the sweatband and on the paper label have been lost due to poor conservation, only the felt and the lining have arrived intact to the present day.

The felt is a deep brown color with a slightly contrasting band and finished with a short and shiny fur

The sweatband was replaced by by Fleur to be worn again.

The measurements of this excellent hat: the raw brims are at 5.5 cm. the ribbon is 3.2cm high and the crown height at its lowest point is 10.5cm.

This hat has never been worn and has arrived in excellent condition until now to my delight as a collector.