Horween USA and Aero Leather Joint Statement

[Rudie]

nerkg, you're coming off as a troll, lazy or not understanding the content of the Horween/Aero statement. Neither makes you look good.

 

[Dr H]

Nerkg, are you planning to work through the seasonal vacation? Wishing you a merry Christmas...

 

[Peacoat]

Yes, Nerkg has a few trollish features about him. This isn't the only time he has made negative comments. I think he should make his way back to the bridge.

 

[alex1976]

i wrote G. that was not my intention to damge his reputation or destroy anybody. sorry about ur problems now.

i wrote him a mail later ....please send me my jacket back....i want to send it to HOLLY and AERO.....
but at a single blow....he wrote me NO!
u can get a 800$ refund only.... i paid 780€ for the jacket and now he wants to give only 800USD or nothing!

i wrote him many times that i want my jacket and not 800USD!
be every answer from him was NO.
i wrote him .....i give you a deadline for 14 days to send my jacket back.
I don't know why he don't send me my jacket back
Maybe is it Steer and not Horse and he has fear when i sent it back to Aero to inspect the jacket through Aero and Horween!

and now,i can´t send him any messages via mail....he blocked me

 

[Aerojoe]

Oh Lord, Giles attacks again

This terminator can't take the jacket from you, it's your property. As long as you have an invoice and keep your shipment bills to prove what happened, this is robbery.

I wouldn't deadline anybody though. It's better to keep politeness and calm all the time.

 

[alex1976]

my property right.....but he is another opinion.....he means this is the price i must pay for all his trouble now!

 

[HorseHide]

Is it me or are there a disproportionate number of crazy folk associated in one form or another with leather jackets (present company excluded, of course)?

 

[bobjones]

I don't think that analogy would be accurate. The difference between 2 great leather jackets, horse or steerhide would be maybe more like a filet mignon instead of rib eye.

I disagree. There was an article in the NY Times last week about how a majority of the fish being served in restaurants is not the one actually being ordered. This is fraud, but am hopeful that the current Aero management can resolve this amicably in a rational way. Based upon Holly's writings here, she seems to be fair-minded and reasonable, which is all I can ask for at this point as I am seeking clarification as to what leather was provided to me, and if it was not FQHH, then a solution that is acceptable to both parties.

I am just very disappointed that I had to find out this situation by reading an online web forum, as the company should have contacted all purchasers in the last several years who might have been victimized.

 

[trapp]

I think winterland's point is that a cubic zirconia is clearly inferior to a diamond, whereas filet mignon and ribeye are both very desirable, and more or less on par with one another, as are Aero's horse and steer hides.

I don't think anyone is arguing that you shouldn't get what you pay for. Obviously, if you prefer ribeye, or horse, and order and pay for ribeye, or horse, then that's what you should get!

 

[nerkg]

Ok, fellows. You have no clue what happened though, don't belive everything you read

 

[cloudylemonade]

Ok, fellows. You have no clue what happened though, don't belive everything you read

As I PMed you with, please can you tell me your email address so I can reply to your mail. I'm not working on Christmas eve but as you are clearly upset I will make an exception for your case.

 

[JLStorm]

I emailed holly, and got a reply out of office till jan 7. It must be nice, trick your customers then take a two week vacation while they sit and wait..

You sir are out of line. It is a holiday and they are entitled to spend some time with their loved ones. It's a jacket, not a life threatening disease. It looks like Holly has offered to interrupt her time off to help you, but frankly with this attitude to don't deserve it. I truly hope you apologize to her for your rude and egocentric comments.

 

[alex1976]

Today i checked my mails and saw a refund over 800 USD from G. via paypal to my paypal account.
i have the refund 800 $ rejected.
i wrote him via mail today again ,that i want my jacket (AERO/IRONHEART COLLABORATION CAFE RACER) back!
The jacket is my property.

G is still not unready to send me my jacket back.
He don´t want that i send it to AEROLEATHER to check.

 

[Rudie]

He'll have his reasons. Seems like you have to sue him to get it back. He's probably counting on you not being willing to go through all the troubles and expenses associated with legal action.

 

[alex1976]

he can wait long that i accept 800 USD....i want /AERO want my jacket.
the jacket i my property and it is not a good advertising here for G. with this action.
seems like he has something to obscure....he don´t want that i can send my jacket to aeroleather.

 

[Rudie]

I wish you good luck with this endeavor. If Giles was in Germany it would be easier for you, but even then ... If he really doesn't want to give it back to you chances are slim you'll ever lay your hands on it again. Things have a way of getting lost or being destroyed, you know. Since his collaboration with Aero was terminated he is also unable to replace your jacket in case yours is lost. So he'll have to give you your money back, which he already did.

 

[Sloan1874]

Today i checked my mails and saw a refund over 800 USD from G. Iron Heart / Triple Works via paypal to my paypal account.
i have the refund 800 $ rejected.
i wrote him via mail today again ,that i want my jacket (AERO/IRONHEART COLLABORATION CAFE RACER) back!
The jacket is my property.

G is still not unready to send me my jacket back.
He don´t want that i send it to AEROLEATHER to check.

At least you know where you stand, Alex. I hope you're saving all your correspondence. I should imagine it'll be relatively easy to raise a civil action by yourself and claim your property back, plus expenses. At your level, given that the value of your jacket is relatively low (though obviously not to yourself), there is a special process
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/engla..._e/law_taking_legal_action_e/small_claims.htm

It may be worth contacting the Citizens Advice Bureau yourself, and asking them how you can go about it, and what recourse you have.

However, I think it is interesting that IH seem very keen that you don't get your jacket checked out. Wonder how many other IH jacket owners on the FL are now looking at their purchases with a new scepticism...

 

[alex1976]

1.he embezzles my property
2. i paid 1000USD for the jacket and not 800USD
3. i want the jacket....i will send it to aero to check....and it is steer and not horse aero will be made a new jacket for free!
4. england is EU....where is the problem for to court him?i have a legal costs insurance.it is not a problem for me !

 

[alex1976]

and what i am find is a important thing....as the time he knows that i wrote him i want send the jacket to aeroleather for another control through aero and horween to get a second opinion....he don´t want send it back to me....he wrote.... i don´t really love this jacket...i give u a 800 USD refund!
Your actions have resulted in me losing a lot of credibility and you the jacket.
i think it is a joke from him as i read this mail.....but he means it totally serious.

 

[Lungomare]

and what i am find is a important thing....as the time he knows that i wrote him i want send the jacket to aeroleather for another control through aero and horween to get a second opinion....he don´t want send it back to me....he wrote.... i don´t really love this jacket...i give u a 800 USD refund!
Your actions have resulted in me losing a lot of credibility and you the jacket.
i think it is a joke from him as i read this mail.....but he means it totally serious.

Hallo Alex!

Suche Dir einen guten Anwalt! Du hast gute Chancen einen Rechtsstreit zu gewinnen - siehe da:

http://www.internet4jurists.at/budapest/vortrag/kap2.htm

http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/cons_int/safe_shop/dist_sell/index_de.htm

Beste Grüße,

Johannes