Help! Quick opinion on Kreosote boots.

[bigmanbigtruck]

lol nobody is saying he’s gonna be the next Madoff.

But one can easily imagine a situation where he keeps collecting the payments upfront to pay for expenses and keep the lights on in order to pursue his dream. Eventually these “deposits” will dry up and he’ll be forced to call it quits.

Meanwhile you’re out 2 grand and a pair of boots.

 

[Aloysius]

lol nobody is saying he’s gonna be the next Madoff.

But one can easily imagine a situation where he keeps collecting the payments upfront to pay for expenses and keep the lights on in order to pursue his dream. Eventually these “deposits” will dry up and he’ll be forced to call it quits.

Meanwhile you’re out of 2 grand and a pair of boots.

* 3 grand lol

 

[bigmanbigtruck]

* 3 grand lol

Nevermind, he’s gonna be the next Madoff then

 

[vividIT]

lol nobody is saying he’s gonna be the next Madoff.

But one can easily imagine a situation where he keeps collecting the payments upfront to pay for expenses and keep the lights on in order to pursue his dream. Eventually these “deposits” will dry up and he’ll be forced to call it quits.

Meanwhile you’re out of 2 grand and a pair of boots.

Yeah, from being on his list for boot builds, something is definitely up. Shouldn't take this long. Even Carl said in his write-ups, who knows how long he'll continue to build boots and would agree, what happens then.

I'm not an attorney nor do I know Missouri law (where he's located), but from researching Missouri's laws, they have an MMPA (Missouri Merchandising Practices Act) in place. If I'm reading correctly, someone can file a complaint to the Attorney General's office and they would look into his business and for mediation if he's not giving refunds while violating the MMPA.

If he's only building 16 boots per year or per 17 months as he did in 2024, while promoting 30-35 builds on his website, on top of making false promises year after year to receive a product. I feel like he would be cutting it close to violating that. We can easy say he has a bad business model right now.

Missouri Merchandising Practices Act (MMPA) protects consumers from unfair business practices, including delays in product refunds:

407.020. Unlawful practices, penalty — exceptions. — 1. The act, use or employment by any person of any deception, fraud, false pretense, false promise, misrepresentation, unfair practice or the concealment, suppression, or omission of any material fact in connection with the sale or advertisement of any merchandise in trade or commerce or the solicitation of any funds for any charitable purpose, as defined in section 407.453, in or from the state of Missouri, is declared to be an unlawful practice.

 

[Aloysius]

Yeah, from being on his list for boot builds, something is definitely up. Shouldn't take this long. Even Carl said in his write-ups, who knows how long he'll continue to build boots and would agree, what happens then.

I'm not an attorney nor do I know Missouri law (where he's located), but from researching Missouri's laws, they have an MMPA (Missouri Merchandising Practices Act) in place. If I'm reading correctly, someone can file a complaint to the Attorney General's office and they would look into his business and for mediation if he's not giving refunds while violating the MMPA.

If he's only building 16 boots per year or per 17 months as he did in 2024, while promoting 30-35 builds on his website, on top of making false promises year after year to receive a product. I feel like he would be cutting it close to violating that. We can easy say he has a bad business model right now.

Missouri Merchandising Practices Act (MMPA) protects consumers from unfair business practices, including delays in product refunds:

407.020. Unlawful practices, penalty — exceptions. — 1. The act, use or employment by any person of any deception, fraud, false pretense, false promise, misrepresentation, unfair practice or the concealment, suppression, or omission of any material fact in connection with the sale or advertisement of any merchandise in trade or commerce or the solicitation of any funds for any charitable purpose, as defined in section 407.453, in or from the state of Missouri, is declared to be an unlawful practice.

I think you should take this step. It’s not exactly great when people use our fondness for small businesses as a cover to kind of blow off the customer.

 

[Tom71]

Yeah, from being on his list for boot builds, something is definitely up. Shouldn't take this long. Even Carl said in his write-ups, who knows how long he'll continue to build boots and would agree, what happens then.

I'm not an attorney nor do I know Missouri law (where he's located), but from researching Missouri's laws, they have an MMPA (Missouri Merchandising Practices Act) in place. If I'm reading correctly, someone can file a complaint to the Attorney General's office and they would look into his business and for mediation if he's not giving refunds while violating the MMPA.

If he's only building 16 boots per year or per 17 months as he did in 2024, while promoting 30-35 builds on his website, on top of making false promises year after year to receive a product. I feel like he would be cutting it close to violating that. We can easy say he has a bad business model right now.

Missouri Merchandising Practices Act (MMPA) protects consumers from unfair business practices, including delays in product refunds:

407.020. Unlawful practices, penalty — exceptions. — 1. The act, use or employment by any person of any deception, fraud, false pretense, false promise, misrepresentation, unfair practice or the concealment, suppression, or omission of any material fact in connection with the sale or advertisement of any merchandise in trade or commerce or the solicitation of any funds for any charitable purpose, as defined in section 407.453, in or from the state of Missouri, is declared to be an unlawful practice.

Please don´t.

Making a complaint to a consumer protection body doesn´t get your money back. If things start to unravel you want to be gone before the tsunami hits the coast.

Send him a formal notice, demanding your money back; follow up with a lawyer that works on a "cost of the action" basis or even succes based (I am sure, you know somebody who knows somebody...). Get you money back before everybody else tries.

 

[Brandrea33]

At the time, I liked his style as well and gave him the benefit of the doubt. Back in 2020, 1 year was tough to fathom at the time. It obviously is turning out very poorly. It gets worse......

I have an email from him dated 10/2023 that 16 builds were ahead of mine. We can do the math. Should be June or July if he is doing 2 - 2.5 builds per year if he builds 30-35/yr (per his website). Just received a new update last week (November), after checking in with him that my new schedule is 3/2025. That's 16 builds for 17 months!!! These are for 2020 purchases. He's NOT even building 30/yr or even 35/yr per his website.

Wow … not good indeed.

My conversation happened in 2022 and at that time I believe he had a 18 mo - 2 year wait. I just couldn’t get my head around paying upfront and waiting that long.

Im happy with my Vibergs.

EDIT: I agree with @Tom71 … ask for your money back. If nothing else, it may move you next up in the production cue lol

 

[Tom71]

I will say that I always liked the look of the "Nail Shank" Boot. At one point, I was close to getting on the wait list, but then life happened and I had other concerns. Some things work out just by doing nothing...