Help! Quick opinion on Kreosote boots.

[bigmanbigtruck]

lol nobody is saying he’s gonna be the next Madoff.

But one can easily imagine a situation where he keeps collecting the payments upfront to pay for expenses and keep the lights on in order to pursue his dream. Eventually these “deposits” will dry up and he’ll be forced to call it quits.

Meanwhile you’re out 2 grand and a pair of boots.

 

[Aloysius]

lol nobody is saying he’s gonna be the next Madoff.

But one can easily imagine a situation where he keeps collecting the payments upfront to pay for expenses and keep the lights on in order to pursue his dream. Eventually these “deposits” will dry up and he’ll be forced to call it quits.

Meanwhile you’re out of 2 grand and a pair of boots.

* 3 grand lol

 

[bigmanbigtruck]

* 3 grand lol

Nevermind, he’s gonna be the next Madoff then

 

[vividIT]

lol nobody is saying he’s gonna be the next Madoff.

But one can easily imagine a situation where he keeps collecting the payments upfront to pay for expenses and keep the lights on in order to pursue his dream. Eventually these “deposits” will dry up and he’ll be forced to call it quits.

Meanwhile you’re out of 2 grand and a pair of boots.

Yeah, from being on his list for boot builds, something is definitely up. Shouldn't take this long. Even Carl said in his write-ups, who knows how long he'll continue to build boots and would agree, what happens then.

I'm not an attorney nor do I know Missouri law (where he's located), but from researching Missouri's laws, they have an MMPA (Missouri Merchandising Practices Act) in place. If I'm reading correctly, someone can file a complaint to the Attorney General's office and they would look into his business and for mediation if he's not giving refunds while violating the MMPA.

If he's only building 16 boots per year or per 17 months as he did in 2024, while promoting 30-35 builds on his website, on top of making false promises year after year to receive a product. I feel like he would be cutting it close to violating that. We can easy say he has a bad business model right now.

Missouri Merchandising Practices Act (MMPA) protects consumers from unfair business practices, including delays in product refunds:

407.020. Unlawful practices, penalty — exceptions. — 1. The act, use or employment by any person of any deception, fraud, false pretense, false promise, misrepresentation, unfair practice or the concealment, suppression, or omission of any material fact in connection with the sale or advertisement of any merchandise in trade or commerce or the solicitation of any funds for any charitable purpose, as defined in section 407.453, in or from the state of Missouri, is declared to be an unlawful practice.

 

[Aloysius]

Yeah, from being on his list for boot builds, something is definitely up. Shouldn't take this long. Even Carl said in his write-ups, who knows how long he'll continue to build boots and would agree, what happens then.

I'm not an attorney nor do I know Missouri law (where he's located), but from researching Missouri's laws, they have an MMPA (Missouri Merchandising Practices Act) in place. If I'm reading correctly, someone can file a complaint to the Attorney General's office and they would look into his business and for mediation if he's not giving refunds while violating the MMPA.

If he's only building 16 boots per year or per 17 months as he did in 2024, while promoting 30-35 builds on his website, on top of making false promises year after year to receive a product. I feel like he would be cutting it close to violating that. We can easy say he has a bad business model right now.

Missouri Merchandising Practices Act (MMPA) protects consumers from unfair business practices, including delays in product refunds:

407.020. Unlawful practices, penalty — exceptions. — 1. The act, use or employment by any person of any deception, fraud, false pretense, false promise, misrepresentation, unfair practice or the concealment, suppression, or omission of any material fact in connection with the sale or advertisement of any merchandise in trade or commerce or the solicitation of any funds for any charitable purpose, as defined in section 407.453, in or from the state of Missouri, is declared to be an unlawful practice.

I think you should take this step. It’s not exactly great when people use our fondness for small businesses as a cover to kind of blow off the customer.