A Menswear PREDICTION

[StanleyVanBuren]

A true, full Windsor cutaway spread like what I wear is still VASTLY uncommon in America.

 

[Miss Neecerie]

Long pointy collars;Yes! Codpieces; No! If the codpiece did come back people would put their cell phones in them. (Sound of phone ringing) "Is that your crotch ringing? Oh,sorry hold on,it's mine..."

Ok...you are probably right....but I -really- didn't need that mental picture.

 

[Sefton]

Actually I hear they have powders that'll take care of ringing crotch. (ducks behind bar.sneaks out back way) I now return you all to your previously scheduled thread...

 

[Flying Scotsman]

I definitely agree about collars. We've had the same style for what, almost 30 years now?, it's about time for a change.

Does anyone know why there are so few options for collar styles today? There's no variety anymore...

Gotta get your shirts made for you...lots of options then.

 

[Lionheart]

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Nothing earth-shattering, but still ...


I predict that the '30s pointed collar (or something pretty close to it) will make a comeback within the next two or three years. Why? Because we've already had at least five years of the high and wide collar. That cycle is long in the tooth and nearing its end. Time for the shirt industry to convince people to buy entirely new duds ... and the '30s long collar is as far away from the high and wide collar as you can get. Long overdue for a revival, too.


Remember, folks, you heard it here first. I've been right in my predictions before ...

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I hope so, actually. I've always favored the longer, pointier collar styles to what I have seen lately.

Sign me up, I'm in on this one.:eusa_clap

 

[Marc Chevalier]

Gotta get your shirts made for you...lots of options then.

True, but practically no shirtmakers offer you a collar option that is really, truly long enough, pointy enough, and curvy enough to match a 1930s collar. So, if '30s pointy collars rock your boat, then you're just about out of luck. Unless ...


1) You find some very good old photos/drawings of '30s collars; and

2) You find out the exact dimensions of a '30s collar; or

3) You get hold of a real '30s collar (either attached or detachable) and bring it to the shirtmaker; or

4) You have Indy Magnoli or Hedeki Okisaka make you a '30s-collared shirt. Here's one of Mr. Okisaka's:

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[StanleyVanBuren]

Might I also bring to your attention that the Windsor knot and collar were both popularized by the Duke of Windsor... in the 1930s.

Nothing wrong with these long collar points either, I'm just saying...

 

[Flying Scotsman]

True, but practically no shirtmakers offer you a collar option that is really, truly long enough, pointy enough, and curvy enough to match a 1930s collar. So, if '30s pointy collars rock your boat, then you're just about out of luck. Unless ...


1) You find some very good old photos/drawings of '30s collars; and

2) You find out the exact dimensions of a '30s collar; or

3) You get hold of a real '30s collar (either attached or detachable) and bring it to the shirtmaker; or

4) You have Indy Magnoli or Hedeki Okisaka make you a '30s-collared shirt. Here's one of Mr. Okisaka's:

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Now that's nice...I'll have to take a closer look at the collar options on my next set of shirts (frankly, I'm usually overwhelmed at the choices...but I'll definitely be paying more attention to the very long pointed collars now)!

 

[Marc Chevalier]

Might I also bring to your attention that the Windsor knot and collar were both popularized by the Duke of Windsor... in the 1930s.

Very true, and '30s hosted a whole variety of collar styles: buttondown, moderate spread, Windsor spread/cutaway, tab, round/club), high square, long point, short wing, wide wing, etc.


Nonetheless, it is the long point that has become the "iconic" '30s collar in most people's minds, just as the high round collar is iconic to the 'teens and early '20s.


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[Tomasso]

practically no shirtmakers offer you a collar option that is really, truly long enough, pointy enough, and curvy enough to match a 1930s collar.
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Au Contraire. There are a many shirtmakers, a dozen in the U.S. alone, who are up to the task. In your neck of the woods, I would recommend Anto and Freddie Vandecasteele.

 

[Jovan]

Might I also bring to your attention that the Windsor knot and collar were both popularized by the Duke of Windsor... in the 1930s.

Nothing wrong with these long collar points either, I'm just saying...

His was a double wrapped four in hand, actually.

I'm pretty sure if you ask shirt makers they will make the collar long and narrow...

 

[Feraud]

Please, Carnac the Magnificiant, I need the collar bar. If not a return, I'll settle for a small revival.

If you wear it, it will return.

 

[Jovan]

I own one. Not many of my collars are narrow enough for it however.

 

[Baron Kurtz]

The PoW, Ed 8, DoW was known to wear a very wide range of knots (a casual wander through google images will confirm that my speculum is firmly cased and packe away).

He varied the style depending upon the shape of collar he was wearing. Funny, that . . .

bk

 

[resortes805]

'bout around '96 I picked up a handful of new shirts like these:

 

[Jay]

I know this is almost treason around these parts but I've found some 70s collars that will do the trick if true 30s shirts cannot be had. I haven't run across anything new that even comes close, unfortunately.

 

[Jovan]

The PoW, Ed 8, DoW was known to wear a very wide range of knots (a casual wander through google images will confirm that my speculum is firmly cased and packe away).

He varied the style depending upon the shape of collar he was wearing. Funny, that . . .

bk

I've mostly seen the DoW with a thick four in hand, but maybe it's just me. I don't think any of the actual Windsor knots were invented then. I could be wrong!

 

[Tomasso]

I could be wrong!

It's possible.

 

[Jovan]

The Duke claimed in his memoirs that he did not, as commonly believed, invent the Windsor knot. Instead, his extra-thick and extra-wide ties resulted in an extra-large knot when tied with the basic four-in-hand knot. In an attempt to emulate this, others invented the Windsor knot to provide a similarly thick knot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor_knot

 

[StanleyVanBuren]

OK, but the main point in this thread is the collar, not the knot.

I hope you're not going to tell me that that's all a lie too.