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NOS Borsalino
I bought three hats from that guy! Two of them are like yours: unlined Trionfo models, with the sticker under the silk/paper thing. I think you're meant to remove the covering; not sure. They are lovely, and these are the hats which, I believe, back up the notion that the first two digits of... -
Borsalino Dating: Just the Facts, Ma'am
But surely this oilcloth is *not* plastic. There are all sorts of pre-plastic substances which have a plastic-like feel. -
Borsalino Dating: Just the Facts, Ma'am
Is there any reason NOT to believe that the first two can be determined by the first two digits of the second number in the serial? -
Borsalino Dating: Just the Facts, Ma'am
Hm. Well, there's one guy out there who famously announces that his hats are better than vintage Borsalinos. Your guy's initials wouldn't have been C.S. by any chance... -
Hilarious Misinformation About US and Our Hats
Lovely post, Jack. Puts all of this in perspective. Funny, those concerned about the preservation of Rome have the same issues: these are *public* monuments; do you really want to inhibit their accessibility and use? The middle ground, adopted by many preservationists, is to keep things... -
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Help Dating this Homburg
As I pointed out somewhere else, these supposed "hybrids" are in fact a completely different hat: not a Homburg, but a New Yorker. Totally legit, methinks. (Although I don't know whether the New Yorker genre encompasses anything other than a center dent.) -
MY FAVORITE HAT
Hm. I'm wondering if I could steam this Knox to look like that. If I flattened the brim, so it was more of a pencil curl than a Homburg thing... (since people have pointed out that it isn't a true Homburg). -
Marque Grand Luxe
(By the way, I am *not* an expert. I knew nada, until I joined the Lounge a couple of months ago. This is all from culling the expertise of others on the board.) -
Marque Grand Luxe
Well, the conventional wisdom on the Lounge has been that, in most cases, the first two digits of the second number indicate the year of manufacture. As pointed out above, some think this is limited to late Borsalinos. It *seems* to work nicely for thirties and forties hats, and two of my hats... -
Hilarious Misinformation About US and Our Hats
In fact, I didn't even know what you guys *meant* by "tapering" and "shrinkage" until I soaked a recent (1983) Dobbs -- it now looks kind of awful. I've soaked thirties Borsalinos thoroughly, numerous times, with *no* adverse affects. And, as I noted elsewhere, I got caught in a downpour... -
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Hilarious Misinformation About US and Our Hats
Mulcebar, the real test is a modern *Stetson* vs. a vintage Stetson. By all accounts, you do not want to get caught in a downpour in a recent Stetson. Especially a black one. (The dye runs.) -
Hilarious Misinformation About US and Our Hats
"When dealing with vintage hats, purists never wear them, less strict collectors wear them when their hair is very clean, and nobody takes the aging hat out in a downpour. Stiff hats will collapse. Keep a close eye on the weather when wearing vintage hats." from... -
Marque Grand Luxe
Hm. I thought that it was also (possibly) accurate for the thirties and forties. I certainly have a couple of thirties hats where the serial number seems to work. (Borsalino dating is driving me insane.) -
Good News/Bad News
Mulcebar, I'm not sure I meant "silk", per se, but whatever the fabric is they use for fabric sweat bands. (I thought that the Borsalino Traveler, for instance, was silk.) I find it *more* comfortable than leather, and it should add at least a size to that hat. As for the pillow and staining... -
Marque Grand Luxe
Yes, mine is behind the plasticized thing as well. Also, the liner is *definitely* silk -- of a very high quality. So, we're beginning to get somewhere, in terms of differentiating between Grand Luxes. Squid, what's the serial number on yours (behind the sweatband)? -
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BOND... PARK LANE BOND
Ha... I got a Knox with a frayed ribbon, and immediately "fixed" it -- thought it was a flaw. Now I'm wondering if I made an aesthetic error... -
Good News/Bad News
That pillow thing on the top is probably responsible for the stain -- it holds water/sweat. I pulled it off my Champ Milan -- and it was easy to remove the stain from the top with water and Woolite (but try this at your own risk). What you might want to think about doing is having someone... -
Marque Grand Luxe
Yes, Squid -- that's what mine has. Which would *seem* to put it in a different era. -
Aaannd another panama!
On the other hand, that's a bitchin' Milan. Frank Sinatra would have worn it with pride. -
Marque Grand Luxe
Okay, interesting. That plastic covering the top of the liner -- is it the early plasticized silk stuff, or is it a normal plastic? Because this hat is *definitely* not an early Borsalino (black Eulan Bayer tag, black sweat). If they were using that weird liner material into, say, the...
