What Hat Are You Wearing Today ?

[Blare]

Royal Scot Playfellow Featherweight

 

[Rmccamey]

I like that band, Joe. Is it original?

Royal Scot Playfellow Featherweight

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[BobHufford]

Unlined Cavanagh while out for lunch with my son at a “joint” that has been around forever (holds the city’s oldest liquor license), but goes up for auction next week. Hope the new owners don’t change a thing.

My son and I retracing our steps and back at this "joint" for a burger, a pulled-pork and a beer. The new owners didn't change much after the auction ... a bigger selection of beer on tap to appease the college locals. I stayed with the PBR. Wearing a Camp Draft for the outing. Four years has not changed us much. I have more hair and my son may have even less.

 

[The Lost Cowboy]

Great lookin fedora!
Don’t know what it’s called, but it sure is a cool comfort feature.

Thanks Randall, this is a very comfortable Knox, it’s true.

It’s also my only hat with a 2 3/8 inch brim. I’m not keen for another one with this brim size, but I’m definitely not thinking to let go of this one, either.

 

[Blare]

I have my suspicions that it is not…. However I see no evidence/remnants of there being something else there previously.

I like that band, Joe. Is it original?

 

[The Lost Cowboy]

Knox superfine in navy. A very beautiful homburg even if it is at least one size too small.

 

[hambone71]

My son and I retracing our steps and back at this "joint" for a burger, a pulled-pork and a beer. The new owners didn't change much after the auction ... a bigger selection of beer on tap to appease the college locals. I stayed with the PBR. Wearing a Camp Draft for the outing. Four years has not changed us much. I have more hair and my son may have even less.

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He looks like a chip off the ol' block! Enjoy the good times and the PBR's.

 

[Randall Renshaw]

Thanks Randall, this is a very comfortable Knox, it’s true.

It’s also my only hat with a 2 3/8 inch brim. I’m not keen for another one with this brim size, but I’m definitely not thinking to let go of this one, either.

Leisure Flex. I’ve seen that before but forgot what it was called. At least that’s what Dobbs called the feature, but I’d bet Knox used the same name.

 

[The Lost Cowboy]

Leisure Flex. I’ve seen that before but forgot what it was called. At least that’s what Dobbs called the feature, but I’d bet Knox used the same name.

Is that from a Dobbs? The patent number is exactly the same as in the Knox 20 I showed and the little bow is exactly the same and so is the patent imprint (font, color, everything). Makes me think the patent belonged to the sweatband manufacturer (implying that Knox and Dobbs did not manufacture their own sweatbands, which makes sense once I think about it but I never thought about it).

But if all that is true (if...) then why is the feature called differently (Knox says "Comfit" while Dobbs says "Leisure Flex")? Because they each demanded their own name? Or did the design name change over time? Does an invention not have a name attached to the patent? I would have assumed the name was part of the patent, like the title of a book is part of the copyright - but maybe the title is not part of the copyright either?

So many questions.....

PS: for convenience, here’s the photo again of the Knox 20 imprint :

 

[mayserwegener]

Rehfus & Cie. "Zephyr" "Extra Extra Qualität". I believe this Stiff Felt is post WWII but made from old stock. The Rehfus & Cie factory was heavily damaged in WWII and didn't go back into production until 1951. It's in NOS condition. I found this Stiff Felt back in 2019.

It came with an original shop Hat Case and Hat Brush.

 

[Frunobulax]

Is that from a Dobbs? The patent number is exactly the same as in the Knox 20 I showed and the little bow is exactly the same and so is the patent imprint (font, color, everything). Makes me think the patent belonged to the sweatband manufacturer (implying that Knox and Dobbs did not manufacture their own sweatbands, which makes sense once I think about it but I never thought about it).

But if all that is true (if...) then why is the feature called differently (Knox says "Comfit" while Dobbs says "Leisure Flex")? Because they each demanded their own name? Or did the design name change over time? Does an invention not have a name attached to the patent? I would have assumed the name was part of the patent, like the title of a book is part of the copyright - but maybe the title is not part of the copyright either?

So many questions.....

I'm 99 44/100% sure both hats were manufactured when Hat Corporation of America had taken ownership of both brands, among others.

HatCorp likely owned the patent and marketed them under different names.

 

[The Lost Cowboy]

I'm 99 44/100% sure both hats were manufactured when Hat Corporation of America had taken ownership of both brands, among others.

HatCorp likely owned the patent and marketed them under different names.

That makes sense. One answer for so many questions!

Here’s another one that’s a bit off topic: are HatCorp (Cavanagh et al) and Hatco (Stetson et al) two different entities? They are definitely confused in my head.

 

[BobHufford]

He looks like a chip off the ol' block! Enjoy the good times and the PBR's.

Thanks Phil!

 

[Randall Renshaw]

Don’t ask me. I can fill an entire mega trailer park with misinformation and and things I’ve forgotten about hats—alone.

That makes sense. One answer for so many questions!

Here’s another one that’s a bit off topic: are HatCorp (Cavanagh et al) and Hatco (Stetson et al) two different entities? They are definitely confused in my head.

 

[Blare]

I'm 99 44/100% sure both hats were manufactured when Hat Corporation of America had taken ownership of both brands, among others.

HatCorp likely owned the patent and marketed them under different names.

That makes sense. One answer for so many questions!

Here’s another one that’s a bit off topic: are HatCorp (Cavanagh et al) and Hatco (Stetson et al) two different entities? They are definitely confused in my head.

I concur with Jim. This is similar to what HCA did with their Cavanagh edge IP. Dobbs version was called Guild Edge and Knox version Custom Edge.

Hat Corporation of America was the company John Cavanagh created to encompass his own brands Crofut and Knapp Cavanagh and Dobbs.. along with acquired brands Knox and Dunlap In about 1932. So any hat of these brands mid 30s and on is a an HCA product… though I do believe they kept separate factories for some time. Later they add Champ and I believe some others. I’m not exactly sure when the demise of HCA is.

Hatco is a separate entity that currently owns the brands Resistol, Stetson and Dobbs and manufactures hats at the original Resistol factory In Garland, TX

The similarity in the names had me questioning the same.

 

[The Lost Cowboy]

I concur with Jim. This is similar to what HCA did with their Cavanagh edge IP. Dobbs version was called Guild Edge and Knox version Custom Edge.

Hat Corporation of America was the company John Cavanagh created to encompass his own brands Crofut and Knapp Cavanagh and Dobbs.. along with acquired brands Knox and Dunlap In about 1932. So any hat of these brands mid 30s and on is a an HCA product… though I do believe they kept separate factories for some time. Later they add Champ and I believe some others. I’m not exactly sure when the demise of HCA is.

Hatco is a separate entity that currently owns the brands Resistol, Stetson and Dobbs and manufactures hats at the original Resistol factory In Garland, TX

The similarity in the names had me questioning the same.

Thank you. Those kind of big picture history facts are important to get right. Like the 2nd Battle of the Bulge and the Biblical book of Hezekiah. If we can’t get that stuff accurate….? ;D

Kidding aside, that helps clarify hat history in a way I could not find on Google. Thanks.

 

[Frunobulax]

I concur with Jim. This is similar to what HCA did with their Cavanagh edge IP. Dobbs version was called Guild Edge and Knox version Custom Edge.

Hat Corporation of America was the company John Cavanagh created to encompass his own brands Crofut and Knapp Cavanagh and Dobbs.. along with acquired brands Knox and Dunlap In about 1932. So any hat of these brands mid 30s and on is a an HCA product… though I do believe they kept separate factories for some time. Later they add Champ and I believe some others. I’m not exactly sure when the demise of HCA is.

Hatco is a separate entity that currently owns the brands Resistol, Stetson and Dobbs and manufactures hats at the original Resistol factory In Garland, TX

The similarity in the names had me questioning the same.

I think after all the twists and turns of acquisition, all of the HCA brands are now owned by Hatco. I know they own Knox, as well as the others you mention.

And of course, somebody owns Hatco, and somebody owns them, and so on.

 

[hatophile]

Olive OR from Portland Outdoor Store

 

[hatsRme]

Dropping off today’s stingy, slim brim, made by The Custom Hatter of Buffalo, Gary White.

 

[hatsRme]

Whoa!!!!!

Rehfus & Cie. "Zephyr" "Extra Extra Qualität". I believe this Stiff Felt is post WWII but made from old stock. The Rehfus & Cie factory was heavily damaged in WWII and didn't go back into production until 1951. It's in NOS condition. I found this Stiff Felt back in 2019.

It came with an original shop Hat Case and Hat Brush.