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What Hat Are You Wearing Today 1?

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Fruno, I commend you for keeping dialog open. I will give my two cents, for what it's worth. Much like society today, when a disagreement occurs, a lot of us tend to retreat into separate corners. Dialog stops and disrespectful comments begin. Failure to participate doesn't seem to work. During my career, I had to take disciplinary action against employees many times. Although never pleasant, I had a clear conscience in that I simply applied the rules equally as written. That being said, there is a human perception at play, and as they say, "perception is reality". If an exemplary employee commits an infraction, disciplinary action may be less severe, than the same infraction for an employee perceived by a supervisor as a pain. What happens post incident greatly effects the eventual outcome. I have seen employees lose there job, because of the attitude taken when action is proposed. So often if dialog were kept open, and each party attempted to reach middle ground, these issues could be resolved. Being disrespectful never helps. I don't think failure to participate helps, especially when we enjoy this place so much. When I had to take disciplinary action against someone, I never discussed it with anyone other than the parties directly involved. I know this is a forum, not a job, but certain ethics still apply. We all want Bob back, but maybe we should reevaluate our approach. I guess that was more than two cents!


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Thanks, but I want to impress on folks I don't have an approach. When I responded to the Mods explanation, I asked them to address us in this. Since, while I've expressed opinions about this, I haven't addressed the Mods directly. How they handle this is up to them.

As a manager myself, my skill set leans toward team building, problem solving, and achieving a goal. My approach has always been to be open, honest, and forthright about things. Communication is key when dealing with groups of people. So when something like this happens, I am compelled to seek a solution through open dialogue. You're never guaranteed to get what you want, but at least you know where you stand and why. Stonewalling, in my experience, is counterproductive and can breed resentment and discord.

At this point, from the information I have, I wonder whether our hosts care about the community they have fostered, and this disappoints me.

Regardless, one-sided discussions are not gratifying, nor productive. So with that in mind, enjoy the hats posted, my friends.


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Desert dog

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Thanks, but I want to impress on folks I don't have an approach. When I responded to the Mods explanation, I asked them to address us in this. Since, while I've expressed opinions about this, I haven't addressed the Mods directly. How they handle this is up to them.

As a manager myself, my skill set leans toward team building, problem solving, and achieving a goal. My approach has always been to be open, honest, and forthright about things. Communication is key when dealing with groups of people. So when something like this happens, I am compelled to seek a solution through open dialogue. You're never guaranteed to get what you want, but at least you know where you stand and why. Stonewalling, in my experience, is counterproductive and can breed resentment and discord.

At this point, from the information I have, I wonder whether our hosts care about the community they have fostered, and this disappoints me.

Regardless, one-sided discussions are not gratifying, nor productive. So with that in mind, enjoy the hats posted, my friends.


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Well said! I would still like to see your hats, kinda makes my morning coffee better.

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LuvMyMan

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This one came yesterday.

I believe it to be from the teens

Hulbert the Hatter semi-longhair. this hat has a beautiful sheen when the light hits it
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WOW! That is the real deal. Can't get any better, and looks super on ya!
 

msoliday

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Band rehearsal tonight after work. This newer Dobbs is my primary band lid. I’ve done a lot of gigs with this hat on my noggin and it has a lot of sweat and beer and bar grime on it (and I plan on never cleaning it). Nothing like a black hat in a blues band.

And brim up. Bob style. Always Bob style. Rock on!

-Mike

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Daniele Tanto

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I read everything that was written around and I tried to better understand the opinions around the case "Bob bad boy and his expulsion"
My ideas are as follows:
- We are on a forum of hats and with a bit of exhibitionism, historicity, fetishism and a bit of narcissism every day we try to give voice and vision to our passion.
- Everyone does it with the means that it deems most appropriate, knowing that there are rules, right or wrong according to the points of view, they are there and must be respected.
- Bob has made a reiteration of crime, posting once again, a photograph not suitable for discussion according to site administrators. For this reason I too would have given him a couple of lashes because he wanted to be a bad boy up to the end. So he did what we call the unpunished.
- The main and basic fact of the matter is: did the published photograph be so unseemly as to be object of censorship? It is a question of using a photograph to make irony and perhaps sarcasm on a color with a slight propensity for lasciviousness. As I said every country has its own rules on the use of satire, irony and sarcasm and here I do not want to discuss those of FL
- I think a step can be done on both sides: Bob lowers his head and apologizes for repeating the sin and the administrators put him under observation, re-joining the forum immediatly.
Discussing with bitter soul, getting angry, making proclamations or threatening to abandon FL hats section is plausible, but are you sure this serves on a site that shows hats to reclaim a supposed "desire for freedom of expression"?
I want to clarify that my observations are made from a European and Italian point of view, in particular, where satire and teasing are different than the country where Fedora Lounge is hosted, but I never allowed myself to pee out of the jar;)
 

sergejvandervreede

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I read everything that was written around and I tried to better understand the opinions around the case "Bob bad boy and his expulsion"
My ideas are as follows:
- We are on a forum of hats and with a bit of exhibitionism, historicity, fetishism and a bit of narcissism every day we try to give voice and vision to our passion.
- Everyone does it with the means that it deems most appropriate, knowing that there are rules, right or wrong according to the points of view, they are there and must be respected.
- Bob has made a reiteration of crime, posting once again, a photograph not suitable for discussion according to site administrators. For this reason I too would have given him a couple of lashes because he wanted to be a bad boy up to the end. So he did what we call the unpunished.
- The main and basic fact of the matter is: did the published photograph be so unseemly as to be object of censorship? It is a question of using a photograph to make irony and perhaps sarcasm on a color with a slight propensity for lasciviousness. As I said every country has its own rules on the use of satire, irony and sarcasm and here I do not want to discuss those of FL
- I think a step can be done on both sides: Bob lowers his head and apologizes for repeating the sin and the administrators put him under observation, re-joining the forum immediatly.
Discussing with bitter soul, getting angry, making proclamations or threatening to abandon FL hats section is plausible, but are you sure this serves on a site that shows hats to reclaim a supposed "desire for freedom of expression"?
I want to clarify that my observations are made from a European and Italian point of view, in particular, where satire and teasing are different than the country where Fedora Lounge is hosted, but I never allowed myself to pee out of the jar;)
Beautifully put Daniele. Wise words.

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Desert dog

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I read everything that was written around and I tried to better understand the opinions around the case "Bob bad boy and his expulsion"
My ideas are as follows:
- We are on a forum of hats and with a bit of exhibitionism, historicity, fetishism and a bit of narcissism every day we try to give voice and vision to our passion.
- Everyone does it with the means that it deems most appropriate, knowing that there are rules, right or wrong according to the points of view, they are there and must be respected.
- Bob has made a reiteration of crime, posting once again, a photograph not suitable for discussion according to site administrators. For this reason I too would have given him a couple of lashes because he wanted to be a bad boy up to the end. So he did what we call the unpunished.
- The main and basic fact of the matter is: did the published photograph be so unseemly as to be object of censorship? It is a question of using a photograph to make irony and perhaps sarcasm on a color with a slight propensity for lasciviousness. As I said every country has its own rules on the use of satire, irony and sarcasm and here I do not want to discuss those of FL
- I think a step can be done on both sides: Bob lowers his head and apologizes for repeating the sin and the administrators put him under observation, re-joining the forum immediatly.
Discussing with bitter soul, getting angry, making proclamations or threatening to abandon FL hats section is plausible, but are you sure this serves on a site that shows hats to reclaim a supposed "desire for freedom of expression"?
I want to clarify that my observations are made from a European and Italian point of view, in particular, where satire and teasing are different than the country where Fedora Lounge is hosted, but I never allowed myself to pee out of the jar;)
Wise beyond your years!

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Richard Morgan

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Fruno, I commend you for keeping dialog open. I will give my two cents, for what it's worth. Much like society today, when a disagreement occurs, a lot of us tend to retreat into separate corners. Dialog stops and disrespectful comments begin. Failure to participate doesn't seem to work. During my career, I had to take disciplinary action against employees many times. Although never pleasant, I had a clear conscience in that I simply applied the rules equally as written. That being said, there is a human perception at play, and as they say, "perception is reality". If an exemplary employee commits an infraction, disciplinary action may be less severe, than the same infraction for an employee perceived by a supervisor as a pain. What happens post incident greatly effects the eventual outcome. I have seen employees lose there job, because of the attitude taken when action is proposed. So often if dialog were kept open, and each party attempted to reach middle ground, these issues could be resolved. Being disrespectful never helps. I don't think failure to participate helps, especially when we enjoy this place so much. When I had to take disciplinary action against someone, I never discussed it with anyone other than the parties directly involved. I know this is a forum, not a job, but certain ethics still apply. We all want Bob back, but maybe we should reevaluate our approach. I guess that was more than two cents!


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At least a nickel's worth DD, thanks. Well said.
 

Willybob

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Lets say I did something here on TFL which got me banned. If I was really out of line, would I want to Mods/BTs to tell members in open forum what I had done? Out of respect for the "offender" the Mods/BTs are going to keep their mouths shut until the offender says he's cool with it. They have to consider issued of slander.

Realistically it would be my responsibility to humbly set the record straight and put everyone at ease. I thinks this could be accomplished via a post by a fellow TFL member who I speak with off forum, (unless there's and unknown rule against such 3rd party communication no one knows about).

If I the offender feel I was dealt with wrongly, I'm sure there is a TFL friend who would let everyone know my side of the story.

The truth is, the Mods/BTs can't address it. Only Bob can. If Bob is so inclined, I think hearing his side of the story would be helpful to some. But Bob has no obligation to let anyone know how it went down and we have to respect his privacy. So until we hear from Bob, lets continue enjoy each others hat tales.
 

Wesslyn

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Band rehearsal tonight after work. This newer Dobbs is my primary band lid. I’ve done a lot of gigs with this hat on my noggin and it has a lot of sweat and beer and bar grime on it (and I plan on never cleaning it). Nothing like a black hat in a blues band.

And brim up. Bob style. Always Bob style. Rock on!

-Mike

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What year P bass is that bad boy? Looks 60s?
 
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