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As long as people make respectful posts, why not stay open?
Finally, someone who gets it! :cheers1:surely said:As long as people make respectful posts, why not stay open?
But wasn't it Mark Twain who said, "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence in society"?Lulu-in-Ny said:I'm in agreement with Feraud. Clothes absolutely do NOT make the man; at best, they make in impression of the man, an illusion. After that, it's up to the individual to present themselves and, hopefully, live up to that impression.
To paraphrase Mammy- you can give yourself airs and get all fixed up like a racehorse, but a mule in a horse harness is still a mule...
Ah, touche, my good man...Jovan said:But wasn't it Mark Twain who said, "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence in society"?
I miss it.Foofoogal- My blue law days as a kid in 1950s St. Louis were exactly as you describe!
In fact, you need not even look further than Hollywood to disprove the notion. All you have to do is rewind the reel a little further back, past the living memory that shapes the myth.Baron Kurtz said:As i've said many times before - and funnily enough the OP by his statements seems to be in agreement - the very premise upon which this argument is founded is fatally flawed.
The suggestion is that in the Golden Era, everyone had the grace, poise, wardrobe and manners of a Hollywood star/starlet. I have never been shown evidence that this was the case.
pigeon toe said:On another note, I feel a lot of what I disagree with in this thread may have to do with generational differences. I'm 20 and did most of my growing up in the 90's and early 2000's, which much of you cite as having horrible mainstream fashions (spot on), but also questionable morals/values. I don't see it that way at all. Perhaps this is because I have grown up with the casualness of society, swearing and sexuality on TV, etc. But the basics, that we can ALL agree on, politeness, friendliness, respect for your elders, are values instilled in myself and most of my peers. Us youngins ain't so bad!
Baron Kurtz said:The suggestion is that in the Golden Era, everyone had the grace, poise, wardrobe and manners of a Hollywood star/starlet. I have never been shown evidence that this was the case. I know for certain fact that one of my great grandfathers was a graceless, mannerless cur with no respect for anyone . . . and he treated people accordingly.
LizzieMaine said:The more I think about this, the more I keep coming back to a very simple notion -- however we got here, and whatever led to it, we've reached a point in history where *crassness* has become a virtue, the ultimate expression of personal freedom by showing you don't give a whiz what anyone else thinks of anything. Some might consider that a positive development, but in all seriousness: is such a culture *truly* about "freedom," or is it a culture that has simply degenerated into a funkhole of self-interest? Is the right to shoulder people off the sidewalk if they get in your way, the right to blast the rawest obscenties into the ears of people who just might not want to have to hear them, the right, in short, to act like a complete and utter prat in public really a right worth celebrating? Or does it, in fact, cheapen and demean the very idea of what "a free society" ought to be?