The most ridiculous Himel yet? Freenote Collab Beck.

[red devil]

And there are dozens upon dozens of threads here describing the process for aero of course. Himel is far less well described here. You left that out.

While Himel is not as discussed as Aero - likely due to the difference in output volume - he is still very well know here with more than enough information. We are not talking of a brand that is obscure to the forum. So I repeat: Aero are very clear in tthis aspect of their communication. Himel is misleading.

Exactly my point

You are just speculating at this point - pun intended.

No, this is my point again. It is a weak accusation that in my opinion as an observer does not stand up to scrutiny.

At this stage you are engaged in conversation, you are not just an observer. Your opinion is well noted. I beg to differ.

 

[Gav]

As an observer, I felt compelled to engage in conversation….

I’m not the person making claims against individuals. It is clear to me what himel and aero mean by bespoke. And that is not the same as what Savile row bespoke tailoring defines as bespoke. Both himel and aero offer custom made jackets.

If you felt misled, then it is good for you that you avoided disappointment fortuitously. It seems you might have been misled by Lewis too? Unless you define bespoke as something else between the generally accepted ‘custom made’ and that of Savile row?

Maybe that is the issue, that your definition differs from that of himel and aero? A simple difference of opinion?

 

[red devil]

As an observer, I felt compelled to engage in conversation….

In that case, same for me, reading about the bespoke advertisement reminded me of that time and I thought I would relay my experience back then.

I’m not the person making claims against individuals. It is clear to me what himel and aero mean by bespoke. And that is not the same as what Savile row bespoke tailoring defines as bespoke. Both himel and aero offer custom made jackets.

If you felt misled, then it is good for you that you avoided disappointment fortuitously. It seems you might have been misled by Lewis too? Unless you define bespoke as something else between the generally accepted ‘custom made’ and that of Savile row?

Lewis were clear that my jacket was a modified size 42

Maybe that is the issue, that your definition differs from that of himel and aero? A simple difference of opinion?

I discovered this term in the forum, and subsequently looking it up, found it to entail a custom pattern as a key feature. It is true that the term has been watered down which is a shame.

I think this covers this topic, not sure what else I can add.

 

[VansonRider]

Doesn’t this just say you deserve bespoke? Nothing about them making bespoke jackets, custom yes, but not bespoke. Like fruit juice is “made from 100% real juice” and juice drinks are “made with 100% fruit juice” as in, ten percent of this product is 100% pure orange juice while the other 90% is water and corn syrup.

I know nothing about Himel or his ad campaign but I wonder if the rest of his marketing is similarly cagey in its wording?

And neither here nor there but those sleeves, too short.

 

[navetsea]

I think what he means by that advertising is just the jacket would fit snug which looks tailored than loose fit, he could have said MTM but that sounds lame so he use bespoke since it sounds more classy, to many I believe the word only means well fitting custom jacket is all... which I think he mostly achieve that not counting the long tube jacket from the last thread.

 

[jeo]

As I said earlier, when I was considering a Himel, I was expecting a pattern to be made for me.

When I was ordering an Aero, I was expecting a pattern being tweaked.

See the problem?

Only problem I see is with selective undeserved and unnecessary bashing and piling on. It's clear that no one bats an eye when Aero claims bespoke, as @Gav pointed out, but do with Himel.

I acknowledge it's not a full blown marketing campaign from Aero. That was well noted, but the point remains.

I understand if you've had actual dealings with Himel and have a legitimate gripe. I don't understand everyone else. It's like caged, starving rabid dogs foaming at the mouth just waiting to pounce GOT style.

Criticisms of stock jackets are well deserved, but as acknowledged by a few that's not what Himel is about. That's like going to a steak house, ordering a salad and then complaining. (bad Seinfeld reference?)

But the fact remains that I would have still engaged due to their misleding communication.

I thought it was fraud? Now it's misleading?

Anyway, I'm out of this thread. It was meant to be a lighthearted one about an ultimately decent jacket design that was sabotaged by the weirdest measurements I have ever seen. Quickly transformed into a Himel war. I should have taken @Tom71's suggestion to rename it with the Parker joke; might have maintained the desired tone better. (I tried actually, but couldn't figure out how to do it even though I've changed titles before.)

This and the comment above looks like backtracking to me. The tone is changing.

Despite the title of the thread and the deserved criticism of the coin pocket, this thread wasn't going all that bad. But I don't see anything lighthearted about claiming fraud. To what end did you intend this thread becoming? You say you had a desired tone, yet you did call the jacket ridiculous in the title despite saying you wanted to change it and then later proceeded to proclaim that Himel's entire marketing campaign is an act of fraud, steering the thread into the usual shit show.

Furthermore, there was no investigation or anything of the sort. This is pure speculation, but I suspect the t-rex measurements just might be incorrect. People measure things differently you know. Seen it a bunch. But no benefit of the doubt at all. Foaming at the mouth.

I'm tired of this roman coliseum type of environment when it comes to Himel. It's old.

Also done with this thread.

 

[red devil]

I acknowledge it's not a full blown marketing campaign from Aero. That was well noted, but the point remains.

Good thing that you acknowledge it. There is a difference.

I understand if you've had actual dealings with Himel and have a legitimate gripe. I don't understand everyone else. It's like caged, starving rabid dogs foaming at the mouth just waiting to pounce GOT style.

I did not know that I was like a rabid dog foaming at the mouth... I did not expect such a comment from you @jeo . It seems the one taking things personally is not us but you after all, does it not?

GOT as in Game of Thrones? Not sure I understand this reference.

This conversation has been generallly civil with maybe a few slips here and there, no need to take it down. Thanks.

Edit: grammar

 

[Cyber Lip]

25.5" body length with 23.5" sleeves?
This makes no sens...

The sleeves would reach my elbows if i tried to wear that!

I know Himel measures sleeves in a certain way. I ordered a jacket once and specified 25.5 inch sleeves and they came out about an inch too long. I had based my sleeve length spec on my Aero jacket's 25.5 inch sleeves which fit me perfectly. Not sure what or how is the correct way to do that measurement. Maybe Himel's method was correct and I got what I asked for, but his were about an inch longer than my Aeros. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is maybe that "23.5" fits closer to 25"?

 

[Marc mndt]

@Cyber Lip check the proportions

body length : sleeve length

The sleeves do look short.

Meanwhile the jacket in question is almost sold out

Himel freenote on the left

 

[Cyber Lip]

@Cyber Lip check the proportions

body length : sleeve length

The sleeves do look short.

Meanwhile the jacket in question is almost sold out

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Himel freenote on the left


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the body length looks longer on the far left example vs the other two

 

[Marc mndt]

the body length looks longer on the far left example vs the other two

The buco in the middle is just short of 25".

 

[Will Zach]

@Cyber Lip check the proportions

body length : sleeve length

The sleeves do look short.

Meanwhile the jacket in question is almost sold out

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Himel freenote on the left


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Lol. People have lots of money having just completed a run on their banks, lol.

 

[ton312]

The other jackets on the page have what appear to be more "normal" sleeve lengths. The details on this jacket are quite nice, the pattern itself somewhat perfunctory:

 

[ton312]

Looking over their site, for the same cash outlay, I'd MUCH prefer this Himel:

This jacket is absolutely beautiful and the measurements make more sense.

 

[Marc mndt]

Looking over their site, for the same cash outlay, I'd MUCH prefer this Himel:
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This jacket is absolutely beautiful and the measurements make more sense.

'More' as in the sleeve en body length. The chest is undersized. But yes, that's a good looking jacket.

 

[Canuck Panda]

Since this thread is getting unstoppable momentum, I will use the opportunity to preach my opinion on measuring...

I wish the seller would always measure the nape measurement, start at center back neck and then down the sleeves, like how dress shirts were sold. Preferably with a tape to the jacket.

The nape or overall sleeve measurement (like dress shirts) is really the only way to know for sure. The only brand/seller that offer this info is Vanson, and they only give it for size 42.

The width across the shoulder don't tell the whole story, especially when it comes to overall sleeve length:

Another key measurement is the waist or hem, whichever is smaller. While most younger people may focus on chest size. As a middle aged man, I focus on stomach size. Again, Vanson is the only one that gives this measurement, the sweep circumference, and only for size 42.

The smallest measurement at waist or hem also gives the potential buyer an idea of how this jacket fits (The shape of the jacket). Pics can be deceiving depending on how the jacket is laid out, but numbers is the same in every language (almost), especially when its a photo of tape to the jacket.

End of preach... It's a slow monday morning...

 

[Gav]

@Cyber Lip check the proportions

body length : sleeve length

The sleeves do look short.

Meanwhile the jacket in question is almost sold out

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Himel freenote on the left


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Marc, your picture comparison is extremely unscientific and honestly means nothing.

I mean: you think it is out of proportion. We got it first time. Why keep repeating it?

 

[Marc mndt]

Marc, your picture comparison is extremely unscientific and honestly means nothing.

I mean: you think it is out of proportion. We got it first time. Why keep repeating it?

I thought proportions were the topic of this thread? I didn't know that the actual topic is off limits. And by the way, who are you to tell me what I can or cannot discuss here?

I said they look short. I'm sorry I didn't go into the science of sleeve length lol.

 

[marker2037]

Outside of the strange, just awful measurements of these jackets I find other things to be just as worse:

-the stitching on the neck clasp is absolutely awful

- The coin pocket dimensions are brutal, as discussed

- The lack of a front drop at all

-The shoulders looking so weird and narrow and LOW from both the back shots (above) and the front shot (below) that it looks like you need a hunchback to fit it.

I really struggle to see how his jackets are worth what he charges.

 

[Gav]

You’ve said it many times already. And the “proof” that you use to evidence it is laughable.
I’m not talking about the science of sleeve length, you are one one who went as far as making montage images with the scale bars. Not me.
I’m just pointing out that it is ridiculously unsound.
The fact that people buy into this and will believe you is the problem. People are gullible and you hammer home your opinion.