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PanosChris

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B.B. "Bristol" upbrim, wool felt in mixed colors. Probably 30s
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PanosChris

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Another French, "Thibet" in a special wool recipe. This is probably the most elegant wool felt that has passed from my hands. More silky than rough. Pics from Daniele
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And with that I've just remembered a Thibet wool bowler if someone wants to post it here ;)
 
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Mean Eyed Matt

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"Orion", 58cm, Open Crown 6 inches, Brim 2 3/8 inches, No Company Mark probably late 1930s.

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That one's fantastic, Steve! I really dig the felt and ribbon colour combination.
And it's a wonderful example of a high quality wool felt hat - perfect for this thread!

By the way, I think the hat could have come from one of the factories in Guben,
as the coat of arms on the lining matches that of the town:
A very similar crowned city wall with three towers/city gates.
I can hardly imagine that this is a coincidence...
https://guben-online.de/stadt/stadtwappen/wappen/

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My local hat shop, Levine, has some very nice wool felt hats that are priced comparable to fur felt. You would be very hard pressed to tell the difference.
 
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That one's fantastic, Steve! I really dig the felt and ribbon colour combination.
And it's a wonderful example of a high quality wool felt hat - perfect for this thread!

By the way, I think the hat could have come from one of the factories in Guben,
as the coat of arms on the lining matches that of the town:
A very similar crowned city wall with three towers/city gates.
I can hardly imagine that this is a coincidence...
https://guben-online.de/stadt/stadtwappen/wappen/

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Matt, Super detection! This solves the issue with these WWII era and earlier no company Wool Hats with similar paper labels and stamps. I always thought that they might come from a Guben source. My guess would be BGH but it could be another factory like C. G. Wilke but I tend to think BGH. The first BGH that you posted is probably 1950s because F. W. Schneider Köln (now Stetson Europe) had the BGH mark. The paper label of that hat has FWS. Thanks regarding the hat! :)
 

Mean Eyed Matt

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Matt, Super detection! This solves the issue with these WWII era and earlier no company Wool Hats with similar paper labels and stamps. I always thought that they might come from a Guben source. My guess would be BGH but it could be another factory like C. G. Wilke but I tend to think BGH. The first BGH that you posted is probably 1950s because F. W. Schneider Köln (now Stetson Europe) had the BGH mark. The paper label of that hat has FWS. Thanks regarding the hat! :)

You're welcome, Steve. That was more of a coincidence, as I came across the Guben crest not too long ago when I compared mine to Stefan's dark blue VEB Guben "Luxus" Homburg and inspected the lining of his hat (first picture above). Surely there are other city coats of arms with 3 towers, but I think Guben - whether BGH or Wilke or something else I dare not decide - is obvious. And as you say, even the later "Cologne" hat still bears the coat of arms - that could actually speak for BGH and against Wilke, who - as far as I know - did not use the city coat of arms, right?

Are there any paper labels inside your hat other than the size label?
 
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You're welcome, Steve. That was more of a coincidence, as I came across the Guben crest not too long ago when I compared mine to Stefan's dark blue VEB Guben "Luxus" Homburg and inspected the lining of his hat (first picture above). Surely there are other city coats of arms with 3 towers, but I think Guben - whether BGH or Wilke or something else I dare not decide - is obvious. And as you say, even the later "Cologne" hat still bears the coat of arms - that could actually speak for BGH and against Wilke, who - as far as I know - did not use the city coat of arms, right?

Are there any paper labels inside your hat other than the size label?
Matt, Yes the paper label and inspection stamps are similar to the other hats.

I moved this conversation over to the German & Austrian Hutmacher topic.

https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/german-austrian-hutmachers.32103/page-457#post-2879714
 
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Remember that one?
"Panonia" Hut "Deutsche Wertarbeit" in grey (greenish) thick wool felt; no paper labels
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ribbon work reminds me of Steve's "Orion
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old pics - sweat cleaned up nicely and is now restiched
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"German workmanship"
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no linner - but marks of a crease clip
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Matt, Suoer! Most likely the same source. I am currently traveling but when I am back home I will go over what I have documented on my website.
 
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You're welcome, Steve. That was more of a coincidence, as I came across the Guben crest not too long ago when I compared mine to Stefan's dark blue VEB Guben "Luxus" Homburg and inspected the lining of his hat (first picture above). Surely there are other city coats of arms with 3 towers, but I think Guben - whether BGH or Wilke or something else I dare not decide - is obvious. And as you say, even the later "Cologne" hat still bears the coat of arms - that could actually speak for BGH and against Wilke, who - as far as I know - did not use the city coat of arms, right?

Are there any paper labels inside your hat other than the size label?
Matt, F. W. Schneider Cologne brought back old company marks. This was a common practice for distributors and large retailers. I am not aware of C.G. Wilke Guben using the coat of arms. Probably should check my website.

The components, felt, finishes, paper labels/ stamps and construction are similar with these no company mark German Wool Soft and Stiff Felt Hats. I don't think they are C. G. Wilke Guben. I think there is a good chance they are BGH.
 

PanosChris

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Remember that one?
"Panonia" Hut "Deutsche Wertarbeit" in grey (greenish) thick wool felt; no paper labels
37544957zm.jpg

37544959gr.jpg

37544961ss.jpg

37544962zt.jpg


ribbon work reminds me of Steve's "Orion
37544969dn.jpg


old pics - sweat cleaned up nicely and is now restiched
37544966ba.jpg


37544968yx.jpg


"German workmanship"
37544967mz.jpg

no linner - but marks of a crease clip
37544963go.jpg
That one is also fantastic, Matt!

As a side note, the lettering on the sweatband reminded me my "Echter Haarvelour"
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And maybe the STECO, "Hora velour"
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