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The Bowler or Derby Hat

Steve1857

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J. Hückel´s Söhne "Elastic", 57.5 cm, 118 grams. possibly mid 1920s to early 1930s. This is a Ladies Stiff Felt Riding Hat but since it's a JHS + very unique I decided to pick it up. It appears to be entirely original and in NOS condition. The Black smooth finished Felt is the same as a Men's JHS "Elastic" Stiff Felt. The 4.5 cm Brim is not curled and has downward flange with a thin Binding. The Grosgrain Sweatband with padded which is stitched in with a X pattern. The Bow is on the left side like Men's Hats. There is also has a long fabric Strap which you see on some Ladies Hats. I couldn't find a paper label so maybe this was custom made by JHS. Definitely a very unique piece for my museum. :)

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If it wasn't for the strap, I'd be tempted to wear it. Great find, Steve.
 
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If it wasn't for the strap, I'd be tempted to wear it. Great find, Steve.
Steve, Without the Strap nobody would know it's a Ladies Hat. Probably most wouldn't know with the Strap. Also the Bow is on the Left side so the same as Men's Hats. I will take some photos wearing it with the Strap tucked under the Crown. :)

I found a photo of a similar looking (no Brim Curl and downward Flange) Knox Riding Hat but without Strap. I can't tell if it has a Bow on the left side.

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Steve1857

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Steve, Without the Strap nobody would know it's a Ladies Hat. Probably most wouldn't know with the Strap. Also the Bow is on the Left side so the same as Men's Hats. I will take some photos wearing it with the Strap tucked under the Crown. :)

I found a photo of a similar looking (no Brim Curl and downward Flange) Knox Riding Hat but without Strap. I can't tell if it has a Bow on the left side.

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Wonderful photo, Steve.

I thought the same about tucking the strap under the crown. Looking forward to seeing the photos of you in it. However, I don't think you'll look as beautiful as Olga Petrova :)
 

Rmccamey

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J. Hückel´s Söhne "Elastic", 57.5 cm, 118 grams. possibly mid 1920s to early 1930s. This is a Ladies Stiff Felt Riding Hat but since it's a JHS + very unique I decided to pick it up. It appears to be entirely original and in NOS condition. The Black smooth finished Felt is the same as a Men's JHS "Elastic" Stiff Felt. The 4.5 cm Brim is not curled and has downward flange with a thin Binding. The Grosgrain Sweatband with padded which is stitched in with a X pattern. The Bow is on the left side like Men's Hats. There is also has a long fabric Strap which you see on some Ladies Hats. I couldn't find a paper label so maybe this was custom made by JHS. Definitely a very unique piece for my museum. :)

51934513374_333df7d86e_h.jpg


51934271368_4197994225_h.jpg


51938277929_e0976b74b2_h.jpg


51933220762_fd91b6f9c5_h.jpg


51933224622_63d731c9d1_h.jpg


51934538864_527109d9c1_h.jpg


51933229202_78eb902a18_h.jpg


51934220396_fd61427241_h.jpg


51934543924_31a45072d6_h.jpg


51934224806_85602f6dc7_h.jpg


51933252997_4194176ca3_h.jpg


51934845935_3ab9699853_h.jpg


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A very unique hat, Steve. I have a bowler I believe is from the U.K. with a D'Orsay curl but with a similar very thin brim/side curls.
 

Rmccamey

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Randy, Thank you! Do you think it's a Ladies Stiff Felt Hat? Would be interested in seeing photos.
I'll post pics in a few days (I'm away from the house) but it has very traditional dimensions, bow on the left, 1 inch ribbon, so it seems to be a men's configuration. The brim is rather flat compared to my other bowlers (I've been meaning to steam it and lift the sides) and it is unlined and very light weight....almost like a "summer" hat.
 
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I'll post pics in a few days (I'm away from the house) but it has very traditional dimensions, bow on the left, 1 inch ribbon, so it seems to be a men's configuration. The brim is rather flat compared to my other bowlers (I've been meaning to steam it and lift the sides) and it is unlined and very light weight....almost like a "summer" hat.
Randy, Thanks! Look forward to seeing the photos.
 
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Another lucky Facebook Market Place find.

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Battersby, one of my favourite Manchester hat makers.

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Originally sold in Denmark's 5th largest town just before or just after WWII, I'd say.

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Almost perfect in every way apart from the popped sweatband stitching at the front.

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The best news though is, it fits

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You look a bit doubtful in the photo, Steve, but I'd say that's a winner!
 

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