The Bowler or Derby Hat

[The Shoe]

Exchanging recipes on baking bowlers is not something you can explain easily to anyone else, that's for sure!

I thought for a moment that I’d gone to my sous vide group by accident. Time and temp please. Time and temp.

 

[mayserwegener]

Sucharipa Wien "Original Öster. Zeugnis / Original Austrian Manufacture", 58 cm, Wool, 175 grams, possibly early 1930s. There is no paper label behind the Sweatband and I couldn't find any production information for Siegmund Sucharipa, Hat Manufacturer, VI District, Bürgerspitalgasse 30, Wien. Siegmund Sucharipa is listed at the same address in the Austrian Hat Industry Guide of 1926. The black Wool Felt has a fine finish. The black Band is of medium width with frayed Bow. The Sweatband and Liner are both Off White. There is also a braided Cord. The overall condition is excellent.

 

[Steve1857]

Sucharipa Wien "Original Öster. Zeugnis / Original Austrian Manufacture", 58 cm, Wool, 175 grams, possibly early 1930s. There is no paper label behind the Sweatband and I couldn't find any production information for Siegmund Sucharipa, Hat Manufacturer, VI District, Bürgerspitalgasse 30, Wien. Siegmund Sucharipa is listed at the same address in the Austrian Hat Industry Guide of 1926. The black Wool Felt has a fine finish. The black Band is of medium width with frayed Bow. The Sweatband and Liner are both Off White. There is a functioning braided Wind Cord. The overall condition is excellent.

All the finishings suggest to me that this was a top notch Bowler meant to appeal to a higher class of Bowler wearer.

Great find, Steve.

 

[mayserwegener]

All the finishings suggest to me that this was a top notch Bowler meant to appeal to a higher class of Bowler wearer.

Great find, Steve.

Steve, Thanks again!

 

[Steve1857]

Ca. 1920s/30s Bowler. Unknown maker, probably German. Sold in Denmark. Love the name



Nice quality hard stiff felt and finishings.



Fits nicely -

 

[mayserwegener]

Ca. 1920s/30s Bowler. Unknown maker, probably German. Sold in Denmark. Love the name

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Nice quality hard stiff felt and finishings.

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Fits nicely -

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Steve,

Super! The Liner Mark is really great. Grabs the eye. Overall condition is great too. I think you are on target with a German source.

 

[Rmccamey]

If you ever need to reduce your bowler collection, Steve, you can put my name on that one!

Ca. 1920s/30s Bowler. Unknown maker, probably German. Sold in Denmark. Love the name

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Nice quality hard stiff felt and finishings.

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Fits nicely -

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[Steve1857]

Steve,

Super! The Liner Mark is really great. Grabs the eye. Overall condition is great too. I think you are on target with a German source.

Thanks Steve. Really pleased with this one.

 

[Steve1857]

If you ever need to reduce your bowler collection, Steve, you can put my name on that one!

Thanks Randy. You'll be first in line should it happen. I wouldn't start making space for it yet though

 

[StoryPNW]

I got this Dobbs Bowler for a very reasonable price, but it doesn't fit me, incorrect size was advertised. Size is actually a 7 1/4. Any information on this hat? I was going to return it to the seller but if anyone is interested would be willing to pass it on to a member here. It is a little rougher than I thought it was as well, the bound edge ribbon shows wear and there is a small hole in the brim.

 

[BobHufford]

Any information on this hat?

Mid to late 1930s based on the interior factory label? https://www.thehattedprofessor.com/datedobbspart1.html

Cool Bon Ton Ivy sweatband. https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/bon-ton-ivy-sweatbands-for-boaters-and-derbies.45190/

Too bad about the fit -- been there countless times.

 

[StoryPNW]

Mid to late 1930s based on the interior factory label? https://www.thehattedprofessor.com/datedobbspart1.html

Cool Bon Ton Ivy sweatband. https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/bon-ton-ivy-sweatbands-for-boaters-and-derbies.45190/

Too bad about the fit -- been there countless times.

Thank you for the references. That would make this my oldest hat by probably 25 years or so, too bad it didn't fit!

 

[steur]

Two Scott&Co hats came in this week. Rather special given the colour of these bowlers. So Here is the first one: Scott&Co bowler in grey. Size 7 1/4, with the brim a tad under 5,5cm and the crown about 12,5cm (to my eye at least). Weighs 196 grams. I think this is the later one. It is not true to size and feels definitely smaller. Likely a woolfelt or a mixed felt as it has some texture to the hand.

 

[steur]

And the brown one. Scott&Co bowler in light brown. Also a size 7 1/4 with the brim at 5cm and the crown slightly higher it seems than the grey one at 13cm. Weighs 160 grams and this has a smoother hand than the grey one.

And this is what the shop looked like, which is all I could find about the retailer.

 

[steur]

Because not everybody can see the pictures in the above posts, here are the hats again in a different format.

 

[Bill Hughes]

Because not everybody can see the pictures in the above posts, here are the hats again in a different format.

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Outstanding derby!

 

[steur]

Outstanding derby!

Thank you, Bill.

 

[deadlyhandsome]

I keep hoping that someday I’ll find one of these wide brim equestrian hats in my size:

 

[belfastboy]

Sucharipa Wien "Original Öster. Zeugnis / Original Austrian Manufacture", 58 cm, Wool, 175 grams, possibly early 1930s. There is no paper label behind the Sweatband and I couldn't find any production information for Siegmund Sucharipa, Hat Manufacturer, VI District, Bürgerspitalgasse 30, Wien. Siegmund Sucharipa is listed at the same address in the Austrian Hat Industry Guide of 1926. The black Wool Felt has a fine finish. The black Band is of medium width with frayed Bow. The Sweatband and Liner are both Off White. There is also a braided Cord. The overall condition is excellent.

I am not a fan of Bowlers but I would buy this one just to gaze at the liner.

 

[The Shoe]

After @steur commented on the new hats thread about not having seen a vintage bowler in blue, I thought it would be worth posting this one. It’s not my hat. I’ve had it on my watch list on a local market for some time out of curiosity, but it’s much too small for me.
Etsuko says that judging from the writing, it’s likely just pre-war, an assessment that Stefan agreed with.
It’s still available, and pretty cheap. If anyone is interested, send me a PM.