The BORSALINO BROTHERHOOD

[steur]

Treatment repels water…. The color repels Stefan.

It's an amazing formula!

 

[steur]

Borsalino Linea Sport fedora in black with a suede finish. Size 57 with the raw edge brim at 6,5cm and the crown at 11,5cm at the center dent. Might not be vintage Borsalino, but it's a quality hat all the same. Very nice hand to the felt.

 

[steur]

The better of the two Borsalinos.
Borsalino Debrosan in bismuto colour. Size 60 with the stitched edge brim 6,5cm and the crown at 11cm at the center dent. Qualitá extra finissima and weighs 110 grams. The brim treatment on this is really lovely.

 

[PDXHAT]

Hello Borsalino Brothers:

I have of late been a huge fan of the Borsalino Travel Trilby I purchased from Delmonico. The grade of felt is "Rain Proof", certainly below Superiore but soft and light and I love it.

My question is, Holland Hats has a line of Borsalinos in 50 gram, which I know of but have never tried or held in the hand. Does anybody know if they are of similar feel to the Trilby I have (both are rollable) and basically open crown (I imagine it would have to be if rollable)?

Thanks in advance!

 

[steur]

Hello Borsalino Brothers:

I have of late been a huge fan of the Borsalino Travel Trilby I purchased from Delmonico. The grade of felt is "Rain Proof", certainly below Superiore but soft and light and I love it.

My question is, Holland Hats has a line of Borsalinos in 50 gram, which I know of but have never tried or held in the hand. Does anybody know if they are of similar feel to the Trilby I have (both are rollable) and basically open crown (I imagine it would have to be if rollable)?

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Haven't handled the modern 50 gram hat by Borsalino, but from the older equivalent hats they made I'd say they are not made to be rollable. The felt on them is extremely thin and shapes with a breeze, which is another way of saying they will not hold their shape very well. Very different feel than their rain proof line I'd say.

 

[PDXHAT]

Haven't handled the modern 50 gram hat by Borsalino, but from the older equivalent hats they made I'd say they are not made to be rollable. The felt on them is extremely thin and shapes with a breeze, which is another way of saying they will not hold their shape very well. Very different feel than their rain proof line I'd say.

Thanks for the info. Holland Hts describes this as "roll up packable". Not really sure about anything else, I have an email into them but have never dealt with this company.

 

[steur]

Borsalino's own site doesn't mention it as roll up packable. I suppose every hat is packable, but how does it handle unpacking is the question.

 

[PDXHAT]

Haha, exactly.

I actually care less about it being packable. What I'm looking for is the same soft felt in the "Rain Proof" line that they use on the Trilbies Delmonico sells. Of course, every vendor can order and configure Borsalino hats in so many quality and custom specs it's hard to really know from one shop to another.

 

[PDXHAT]

Borsalino Linea Sport fedora in black with a suede finish. Size 57 with the raw edge brim at 6,5cm and the crown at 11,5cm at the center dent. Might not be vintage Borsalino, but it's a quality hat all the same. Very nice hand to the felt.

This looks close to if not exactly the same as the Trilby line in Rain Proof that I'm talking about. Easy to shape the crown, yes? Holds a nice shape? Lightweight? Did you buy it recently or are you not original owner? (I love it BTW.) Here's the inside f my trilby.

 

[PDXHAT]

 

[steur]

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Thanks. Picked it up recently at an auction site. Because it's a suede finish it doesn't shape as easily as the hats I've handled in the rain proof line, but a quality hat all the same. I have so many vintage Borsalinos this one is for resale though.

 

[steur]

Forgot I bought this one, which is hard to believe with such a nice hat.
Borsalino Lunasca 39 1/2 in a brown colour called Palma. That is the first time we've seen this colour, so the sheer endless number of Borsalino colours hasn't reached the bottom yet. Size 59 with the raw edge brim at 7,2cm and the crown at 10,5cm at the center dent. Weighs 120 grams and was sold by Sools, Paris. It's a beauty. A bit of the shadow of the old crease can still be seen in the back.

 

[deadlyhandsome]

Long hair Borsalino with a 2 ½” wide brim with an overwelt edge. Size is 6 ½ Punti/French point or approximately 7 ½ US. The ribbon and the felt have some serious stains that are even worse than it looks in the photos.

 

[M Hatman]

Found on the way home from Fathers Day activities........Was I surprised!!!!
An Made for America Import with grand dimensions: Just under 2 3/4 inch brim and a bit more than a 5 3/4 open crown!!!! AND...a sweet "Cavanagh Edge" Brim!! It has a 1 3/4" ribbon and a full 2" stippled/textured roan sweat....
Interesting color too!!!!

Sold in Chicago.......and no reed so super comfortable!

EDIT: Also has that ventilation system (or whatever they called it) sewn into the front behind the sweat...

EDIT: (I knew I would get something wrong.....). So now, I would guess about mid 50's or so....based on the truly American market large proportion styling and the 1953-60 tag. Still has the model in lower right so earlier in that time? Interesting that the tag is serrated all around (like the earlier ones but without Borsalino being imprinted on the left (though there is certainly room for that).

It is in absolutely perfect condition too....
I am a happy, happy camper!!!!!!!

 

[carouselvic]

Please explain your dating method

 

[Mcox47]

Some guys just get lucky! Must be time to buy that lottery ticket.

Congrats. It's a beautiful hat.

 

[Steve1857]

Found on the way home from Fathers Day activities........Was I surprised!!!!
An Made for America Import with grand dimensions: Just under 2 3/4 inch brim and a bit more than a 5 3/4 open crown!!!! AND...a sweet "Cavanagh Edge" Brim!! It has a 1 3/4" ribbon and a full 2" roan sweat....
Interesting color too!!!!

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Sold in Chicago.......and no reed to super comfortable!
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I would guess about 1950 or so....based on the truly American market large proportion styling and the pre-1953 tag.
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It is in absolutely perfect condition too....
I am a happy, happy camper!!!!!!!

Great find, Mark. Congrats! Love that crease.

 

[Blare]

Found on the way home from Fathers Day activities........Was I surprised!!!!
An Made for America Import with grand dimensions: Just under 2 3/4 inch brim and a bit more than a 5 3/4 open crown!!!! AND...a sweet "Cavanagh Edge" Brim!! It has a 1 3/4" ribbon and a full 2" roan sweat....
Interesting color too!!!!

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Sold in Chicago.......and no reed to super comfortable!
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I would guess about 1950 or so....based on the truly American market large proportion styling and the pre-1953 tag.
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It is in absolutely perfect condition too....
I am a happy, happy camper!!!!!!!

Fabulous. Congratulations Mark

 

[M Hatman]

Please explain your dating method

Well......according to research here in this thread the fully cerrated blocking tag was used from the later 1930's to about 1952-53. It has the common tip found on many U S imports plus it was sold in Chicago.....as we would not have been importing them during the war or even much before (think about it), it would be post war. Not sure how quick they were up to speed after the war exporting goods..........And dimensions are quite of the period for popular American hats of the time.....hence Circa 1950.

I do not claim to be an expert on Borsalinos but I can read these threads and process some of the information and try my best with my hat in hand.

Do you have a different date in mind? I could certainly have miss-read the label articles.....and it is mid-50's? It does have attributes of the both earlier and later labels.....

EDIT: Label is from 1953-60. I Just knew I would get something wrong......

 

[M Hatman]

Love that crease.

Well...when I have plenty of soft crown.....