The BORSALINO BROTHERHOOD

[Air Wing Marine]

 

[mayserwegener]

Thank you for the favorable report. I spent $60 on it. No stains,odors, moth damage. It's very soft and malleable. I have a Rowenta steamer. Any tips on steaming and creasing would be most appreciated. I'm a straw guy and this is my first foray into felt.

Thanks

Please ask here.

https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/ask-a-question-get-an-answer.41576/

 

[mayserwegener]

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I can't see it clearly. I just want to see the top side of the brim edge.

 

[Air Wing Marine]

Maybe this is better. What material is the hat?

 

[Air Wing Marine]

I can't see it clearly. I just want to see the top side of the brim edge.

I hope the above pics of the brim are clearer

 

[mayserwegener]

Maybe this is better. What material is the hat? View attachment 143443 View attachment 143444

It's Fur Felt so Rabbit based. The reason I asked for a clearer photo is that I wanted to see the brim edge. I still can't tell from this photo but no big deal.

 

[Air Wing Marine]

It's Fur Felt so Rabbit based. The reason I asked for a clearer photo is that I wanted to see the brim edge. I still can't tell from this photo but no big deal.

What are you looking for in brim edge?

 

[mayserwegener]

To see if it's a over welt or a felted edge.

 

[steur]

Thanks to Terry's and Daniel's posts about a Fedora Borsalino, I've been encouraged to look afresh at a Borsalino Homburg I bought a couple of years or so ago.

The brim was very flat and wide (7cm) and the crown quite high at 15cm, which led me to speculate that it was a Borsalino made for my brethren in the Orthodox Jewish Community.

I'm still not sure about this, perhaps the brim just went floppy due to storage issues, but the "before" photos posted below will either confirm or deny my speculation regarding its religious hat origin.

I'm not orthodox and don't need to look more Jewish than my heritage says I am, not that I'm at all ashamed of that, so I wanted to give this Borsa a new, more classic Homburg shape. The after photos hopefully show how my attempts turned out.

I forgot to take photos of me with the hat in its flat brim state, but hope the brim change from flat to curl can be seen.

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It does look good both ways, Steve, but I'm like you: I like my homburgs to have some curve.

 

[steur]

This came in today. Not looking the way it does now; had to take care of a very generous amount of dust first. It will be going back to its roots.
Borsalino Export Qualität Gran Lusso lobbia (or homburg if you will). Gulaela model in size 60 with the brim a little over 6cm and the crown a commanding 12cm in front (it looked at me like it did not want to be pinched). Nice touch is the : "gegenüber dem ratskeller" on the sweat and liner; like the hat wearer wouldn't know where the hatshop was.

 

[Redfokker]

This came in today. Not looking the way it does now; had to take care of a very generous amount of dust first. It will be going back to its roots.
Borsalino Export Qualität Gran Lusso lobbia (or homburg if you will). Gulaela model in size 60 with the brim a little over 6cm and the crown a commanding 12cm in front (it looked at me like it did not want to be pinched). Nice touch is the : "gegenüber dem ratskeller" on the sweat and liner; like the hat wearer wouldn't know where the hatshop was.

There is one of those different wind trolleys again. No button, but cool anyway. How old is this one? Sure cleaned up nice.

 

[Steve1857]

This came in today. Not looking the way it does now; had to take care of a very generous amount of dust first. It will be going back to its roots.
Borsalino Export Qualität Gran Lusso lobbia (or homburg if you will). Gulaela model in size 60 with the brim a little over 6cm and the crown a commanding 12cm in front (it looked at me like it did not want to be pinched). Nice touch is the : "gegenüber dem ratskeller" on the sweat and liner; like the hat wearer wouldn't know where the hatshop was.

Or maybe that was the bar to meet in [emoji4]. Whatever, a very unique wording, Stefan.
I find it so interesting that some hats just say "pinch" when you look and absorb them, while others say "no way".


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[steur]

Or maybe that was the bar to meet in [emoji4]. Whatever, a very unique wording, Stefan.
I find it so interesting that some hats just say "pinch" when you look and absorb them, while others say "no way".


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No one besides another hat collector understands when you say that a hat tells you what it wants

 

[Steve1857]

No one besides another hat collector understands when you say that a hat tells you what it wants

I couldn't agree more, my hat collector friend [emoji4]

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[mayserwegener]

There is one of those different wind trolleys again. No button, but cool anyway. How old is this one? Sure cleaned up nice.

Most old hats with wind cords didn't have buttons. In fact I am not sure I have ever seen an old hat with a button wind cord. They all had loops.

 

[Just Daniel]

Beautiful hat. In what time period do you place it?

This came in today. Not looking the way it does now; had to take care of a very generous amount of dust first. It will be going back to its roots.
Borsalino Export Qualität Gran Lusso lobbia (or homburg if you will). Gulaela model in size 60 with the brim a little over 6cm and the crown a commanding 12cm in front (it looked at me like it did not want to be pinched). Nice touch is the : "gegenüber dem ratskeller" on the sweat and liner; like the hat wearer wouldn't know where the hatshop was.

 

[steur]

There is one of those different wind trolleys again. No button, but cool anyway. How old is this one? Sure cleaned up nice.

Beautiful hat. In what time period do you place it?

Thanks, gentlemen. Like Steve said, no-button windcords are quite common. This liner, combined with the label puts it somewhere between 1955 and 1965 I'd say. The yellow oilskin covered liners seem to be replaced somewhere in the mid sixties and the borsalino designation on the label disappeared somewhere in the mid fifties. The seller had it listed as "over thirty years old" which is not wrong, but not exactly right either. But based on that probably early sixties.
There still was a hatshop on the address in Hamburg in 2014 but under the name of Falkenhagen. They were there since 1979. So Louis Grude was there before that time. I have found some undated reference to the man (and his shop) being located at Steindamm 72 in Hamburg. It does list however "english hat magazine" ; a side job maybe?

 

[Steve1857]

Thanks, gentlemen. Like Steve said, no-button windcords are quite common. This liner, combined with the label puts it somewhere between 1955 and 1965 I'd say. The yellow oilskin covered liners seem to be replaced somewhere in the mid sixties and the borsalino designation on the label disappeared somewhere in the mid fifties. The seller had it listed as "over thirty years old" which is not wrong, but not exactly right either. But based on that probably early sixties.
There still was a hatshop on the address in Hamburg in 2014 but under the name of Falkenhagen. They were there since 1979. So Louis Grude was there before that time. I have found some undated reference to the man (and his shop) being located at Steindamm 72 in Hamburg. It does list however "english hat magazine" ; a side job maybe?

Interesting info, Stefan. Thanks for sharing.
I think perhaps that the term "magazine" here means store/depot (Magazin in German) and not a periodical as we automatically assume the word to mean today.

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[steur]

Interesting info, Stefan. Thanks for sharing.
I think perhaps that the term "magazine" here means store/depot (Magazin in German) and not a periodical as we automatically assume the word to mean today.

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It could be, but I not sure "magazine" is used that way here. "Hutgeschäft" is named specifically right after it. Pity I can't find anything else about the shop.

 

[Steve1857]

It could be, but I not sure "magazine" is used that way here. "Hutgeschäft" is named specifically right after it. Pity I can't find anything else about the shop. View attachment 143905

Interesting, Stefan, thanks. Maybe they didn't want to repeat the same word, or maybe he did produce a periodical about English hats. Doesn't seem likely though. The hat industry in general and the English ditto in particular was in decline from the mid 50s to mid 60s.
If, however, he did produce a magazine about English hats, how great would it be to get hold of one? On a scale of 1-10, I'd say, 11 [emoji4]

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