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Side By Side/ Hat Comparisons

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2 Early Stratoliners

Here are two Stratoliners from the early 1940s... so similar, yet with a couple of subtle differences that make them interesting to discuss.

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The darker one I've had for a while, the lighter one is a Vita-Felt process just acquired. According to trademark records, Stetson lists the first use of "Vita-Felt" to July, 1940. They record their first mention of Stratoliner in commerce as April of the same year.

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Both hats are lightweight unlined hats... likely among the earliest variations on this iconic Stetson theme. Both hats are identical in weight at 2.8 ounces (79 grams). The Vita-Felt feels slightly thicker and softer. The body in the other is thinner and more densely felted. These differences are very subtle. The fibers in the Vita-Felt hat can be loosened with abrasion and are no match for hungry moth larvae. Whatever the mystery process or composition of Vita-Felt, it does not match the quality of Stetson's standard felt of the day. Still, I think it is very difficult to tell them apart in the photos.

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Dimensions (5" crown, 2 1/2+" brim) and ribbon details are identical. I gave the new Vita-Felt a diamond crease so I could tell them apart. The glued embroidered crown labels are colored different but otherwise the same. They are substantial and can be felt through the lightweight felt.

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The sweatbands are different. The Vita-Felt uses the buttery soft natural leather that I also have in my c.1940 Playboy. The other uses a more rigid leather with an embossed grain. Both have sporty colored sweatband ribbons that seemed to be popular in inexpensive lightweights from this era.

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Unfortunately, the darker Strat is missing its size tag. But if it were there, I'm guessing it would be black/manila as on David's very similar example. The Vita-Felt has the earlier gold printed label. It also has the last variation of Stetson's 3 panel manufacturing label, which replaced the wider three panel label in the late 1930s and is gone in favor of a single field label with just the block# stamped sometime in the early 1940s.

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I am guessing the Vita-Felt Strat to be an early example, made in 1940-1941 during the first production year of the Stratoliner... the other, later, 1942-43. But I could be wrong too. ;)
 
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Thanks, Randall... I always wanted to be a sleuth. Now I have enough hats to do the wardrobe, anyway.

One last feature... the sweatband LOTXXXX stamp appears on the Vita-Felt hat and not on the other. More on the sweat stamp timeline unified theory here.

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m0nk

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Very nice comparisons Alan! I've really enjoyed this thread.... one of these days I'm going to get enough time to sit down with two and do one myself...
 

Alive'n'Amplified

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Steve - Terrific triplets!! Thank you for sharing.

Alan - Great post! This is a great thread, probably my favorite on the 'Lounge; I really enjoy the contrasts and comparisons.
 
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I'm glad you are enjoying this thread... I hope we can get many more posts. There are some incredible hat collections out there with good stories to tell.
 

delectans

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Bravo, Steve and Alan on your well-written and beautifully photographed comparisons. The German trio and American duo are music for the eyes.
 

DJH

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Great Stratoliner post, Alan. It is really cool how we can piece together the forgotten history of what were once common brands.
 

danofarlington

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I read a couple of Brian Greene books partly about that. I was delighted to be informed about such a small world. But you know, I don't even think he wears a hat, so I don't know how far to trust him.
 
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Alan, Thanks! For some reason I forgot to include the "Elastic" model. Great old Stetson Stratoliner comparison!

Randall, AnA, Al, Thanks!

Jeff, Thanks! Yes a lost art.
 
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job

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I'm going to compare two new production hats that share a certain style but are very different in all other ways.
My Akubra Campdraft in silverbelly and a Borsalino Alessandria in light grey. Both hats come in open crown.
The Campdraft is made in Akubras imperial grade felt which is a bit stiff and a little larger than the Borso.
The amount of flange on the Campdraft is little where the Alessandria has a lot. When I wear the Borso I tilt it back or I would not be able to see.
The felt on the Borso is light weight and is shapeable without steam.
The Campdraft has a reeded sweatband where the Alessandria has a non reeded sweat.
I would have to say that the Borso is the most comfortable hat I have because of the light conforming felt and the lack of a reed. The Borsalino costs about twice as much as the Akubra.

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The Alessandria
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