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Excellent homburg, Steve. Nice find. I had a Mayser from Willenbrink with the same imprint on the sweatband and that one was actually dated: 3. dez. 1960. Also with a glued in liner. So give or take a year that's the date on these (assuming Willenbrink didn't celebrate for several years).
Stefan, Thanks! I think they are from the same time period. Mine had a 1962 newspaper behind the sweatband.
 

Daniele Tanto

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Verona - Italia
We continue in the series of ancient French hats. I played a risky game and it went well.
Two black hats, among my favorites, with the shapes and proportions of hats made before the Second World War were on the market in France
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I played a risky game and it went well, when they arrived I'm more happier that my expectations
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This has very few indications, considering that the writing on the bottom of the crown has vanished and what remains is illegible
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A small label in paper with a number is under the sweatband, all that is legible embossed on the sweatband
We call this "The perfection" considering that this seems to be its name
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"Stylish is its second name
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Felt is a mixture of furs and wool like others of the same age, around thirty, that I bought years ago
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It is soft and malleable easy with hands. The brims are slightly more stiff, but bend without difficulty
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The measures are as follows:
- brim, flat, rimmed by 7 cm black ribbon
. crown at the lowest 12cm point
- 5 cm ribbon with the stitching stitching again
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For the time since its construction is in excellent condition and it is quite my size
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After a good job of dusting, steam and brush and a "tonic" for the skin, the hat looks ready for its "new life"
 

Desert dog

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A real beauty! I love the proportions of that one!
We continue in the series of ancient French hats. I played a risky game and it went well.
Two black hats, among my favorites, with the shapes and proportions of hats made before the Second World War were on the market in France
2iudede.jpg

I played a risky game and it went well, when they arrived I'm more happier that my expectations
28qsr9y.jpg

This has very few indications, considering that the writing on the bottom of the crown has vanished and what remains is illegible
jjp7h3.jpg

A small label in paper with a number is under the sweatband, all that is legible embossed on the sweatband
We call this "The perfection" considering that this seems to be its name
wkqvk7.jpg

"Stylish is its second name
nbbuht.jpg

Felt is a mixture of furs and wool like others of the same age, around thirty, that I bought years ago
2nuoebs.jpg

It is soft and malleable easy with hands. The brims are slightly more stiff, but bend without difficulty
o05w09.jpg

The measures are as follows:
- brim, flat, rimmed by 7 cm black ribbon
. crown at the lowest 12cm point
- 5 cm ribbon with the stitching stitching again
1430q5j.jpg

For the time since its construction is in excellent condition and it is quite my size
2nvqagm.jpg

After a good job of dusting, steam and brush and a "tonic" for the skin, the hat looks ready for its "new life"

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Messages
11,369
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Alabama
We continue in the series of ancient French hats. I played a risky game and it went well.
Two black hats, among my favorites, with the shapes and proportions of hats made before the Second World War were on the market in France
2iudede.jpg

I played a risky game and it went well, when they arrived I'm more happier that my expectations
28qsr9y.jpg

This has very few indications, considering that the writing on the bottom of the crown has vanished and what remains is illegible
jjp7h3.jpg

A small label in paper with a number is under the sweatband, all that is legible embossed on the sweatband
We call this "The perfection" considering that this seems to be its name
wkqvk7.jpg

"Stylish is its second name
nbbuht.jpg

Felt is a mixture of furs and wool like others of the same age, around thirty, that I bought years ago
2nuoebs.jpg

It is soft and malleable easy with hands. The brims are slightly more stiff, but bend without difficulty
o05w09.jpg

The measures are as follows:
- brim, flat, rimmed by 7 cm black ribbon
. crown at the lowest 12cm point
- 5 cm ribbon with the stitching stitching again
1430q5j.jpg

For the time since its construction is in excellent condition and it is quite my size
2nvqagm.jpg

After a good job of dusting, steam and brush and a "tonic" for the skin, the hat looks ready for its "new life"


WOW! I love that one, Daniele. Just a beautiful hat and still has the basting stitches at the top of the ribbon for when the hats were stacked.
 
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Albany Oregon
We continue in the series of ancient French hats. I played a risky game and it went well.
Two black hats, among my favorites, with the shapes and proportions of hats made before the Second World War were on the market in France
2iudede.jpg

I played a risky game and it went well, when they arrived I'm more happier that my expectations
28qsr9y.jpg

This has very few indications, considering that the writing on the bottom of the crown has vanished and what remains is illegible
jjp7h3.jpg

A small label in paper with a number is under the sweatband, all that is legible embossed on the sweatband
We call this "The perfection" considering that this seems to be its name
wkqvk7.jpg

"Stylish is its second name
nbbuht.jpg

Felt is a mixture of furs and wool like others of the same age, around thirty, that I bought years ago
2nuoebs.jpg

It is soft and malleable easy with hands. The brims are slightly more stiff, but bend without difficulty
o05w09.jpg

The measures are as follows:
- brim, flat, rimmed by 7 cm black ribbon
. crown at the lowest 12cm point
- 5 cm ribbon with the stitching stitching again
1430q5j.jpg

For the time since its construction is in excellent condition and it is quite my size
2nvqagm.jpg

After a good job of dusting, steam and brush and a "tonic" for the skin, the hat looks ready for its "new life"
Really a special hat Daniele! Love the details on that gorgeous sweat. A French mystery!
 

Roadopen

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We continue in the series of ancient French hats. I played a risky game and it went well.
Two black hats, among my favorites, with the shapes and proportions of hats made before the Second World War were on the market in France
2iudede.jpg

I played a risky game and it went well, when they arrived I'm more happier that my expectations
28qsr9y.jpg

This has very few indications, considering that the writing on the bottom of the crown has vanished and what remains is illegible
jjp7h3.jpg

A small label in paper with a number is under the sweatband, all that is legible embossed on the sweatband
We call this "The perfection" considering that this seems to be its name
wkqvk7.jpg

"Stylish is its second name
nbbuht.jpg

Felt is a mixture of furs and wool like others of the same age, around thirty, that I bought years ago
2nuoebs.jpg

It is soft and malleable easy with hands. The brims are slightly more stiff, but bend without difficulty
o05w09.jpg

The measures are as follows:
- brim, flat, rimmed by 7 cm black ribbon
. crown at the lowest 12cm point
- 5 cm ribbon with the stitching stitching again
1430q5j.jpg

For the time since its construction is in excellent condition and it is quite my size
2nvqagm.jpg

After a good job of dusting, steam and brush and a "tonic" for the skin, the hat looks ready for its "new life"

Killer hat in all the right places except you'd think it would have a liner that would top it to perfection!:cool:
Just me of course:D Great find!:)

Roadopen
 
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We continue in the series of ancient French hats. I played a risky game and it went well.
Two black hats, among my favorites, with the shapes and proportions of hats made before the Second World War were on the market in France
2iudede.jpg

I played a risky game and it went well, when they arrived I'm more happier that my expectations
28qsr9y.jpg

This has very few indications, considering that the writing on the bottom of the crown has vanished and what remains is illegible
jjp7h3.jpg

A small label in paper with a number is under the sweatband, all that is legible embossed on the sweatband
We call this "The perfection" considering that this seems to be its name
wkqvk7.jpg

"Stylish is its second name
nbbuht.jpg

Felt is a mixture of furs and wool like others of the same age, around thirty, that I bought years ago
2nuoebs.jpg

It is soft and malleable easy with hands. The brims are slightly more stiff, but bend without difficulty
o05w09.jpg

The measures are as follows:
- brim, flat, rimmed by 7 cm black ribbon
. crown at the lowest 12cm point
- 5 cm ribbon with the stitching stitching again
1430q5j.jpg

For the time since its construction is in excellent condition and it is quite my size
2nvqagm.jpg

After a good job of dusting, steam and brush and a "tonic" for the skin, the hat looks ready for its "new life"
Nice!
 
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11,369
Location
Alabama
Pony Express finally arrived from San Diego. OC 7X CB with a 5 1/2" crown and a 2 5/8" brim. It's a hat from the 60's, the same as my Stetson 100 and there are some similarities. Color is a a little darker on the 7X and the 100 has a 2 3/4" brim. The brim on the 7 is very stiff and almost flat. The crown is firm but molds easily dry and holds it shape as well as it pops out of it. Very dense felt and the finish is suede like and hard to discern from the finish of my 100 with my eyes closed. Sorry, didn't mean to do a comparison.
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Roadopen

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Pony Express finally arrived from San Diego. OC 7X CB with a 5 1/2" crown and a 2 5/8" brim. It's a hat from the 60's, the same as my Stetson 100 and there are some similarities. Color is a a little darker on the 7X and the 100 has a 2 3/4" brim. The brim on the 7 is very stiff and almost flat. The crown is firm but molds easily dry and holds it shape as well as it pops out of it. Very dense felt and the finish is suede like and hard to discern from the finish of my 100 with my eyes closed. Sorry, didn't mean to do a comparison.
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Now bash that baby! Coloration just superb!
 
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Pony Express finally arrived from San Diego. OC 7X CB with a 5 1/2" crown and a 2 5/8" brim. It's a hat from the 60's, the same as my Stetson 100 and there are some similarities. Color is a a little darker on the 7X and the 100 has a 2 3/4" brim. The brim on the 7 is very stiff and almost flat. The crown is firm but molds easily dry and holds it shape as well as it pops out of it. Very dense felt and the finish is suede like and hard to discern from the finish of my 100 with my eyes closed. Sorry, didn't mean to do a comparison.
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That is superb BB!
 

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Man! Another beauty! And it was only a three hour drive from me. Great score, glad to see you get it. You, Hurricane, and Bob Hufford, have really been raising the bar!
Pony Express finally arrived from San Diego. OC 7X CB with a 5 1/2" crown and a 2 5/8" brim. It's a hat from the 60's, the same as my Stetson 100 and there are some similarities. Color is a a little darker on the 7X and the 100 has a 2 3/4" brim. The brim on the 7 is very stiff and almost flat. The crown is firm but molds easily dry and holds it shape as well as it pops out of it. Very dense felt and the finish is suede like and hard to discern from the finish of my 100 with my eyes closed. Sorry, didn't mean to do a comparison.
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Pony Express finally arrived from San Diego. OC 7X CB with a 5 1/2" crown and a 2 5/8" brim. It's a hat from the 60's, the same as my Stetson 100 and there are some similarities. Color is a a little darker on the 7X and the 100 has a 2 3/4" brim. The brim on the 7 is very stiff and almost flat. The crown is firm but molds easily dry and holds it shape as well as it pops out of it. Very dense felt and the finish is suede like and hard to discern from the finish of my 100 with my eyes closed. Sorry, didn't mean to do a comparison.
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Good get, Greg! Looks brand new.


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AbbaDatDeHat

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Pony Express finally arrived from San Diego. OC 7X CB with a 5 1/2" crown and a 2 5/8" brim. It's a hat from the 60's, the same as my Stetson 100 and there are some similarities. Color is a a little darker on the 7X and the 100 has a 2 3/4" brim. The brim on the 7 is very stiff and almost flat. The crown is firm but molds easily dry and holds it shape as well as it pops out of it. Very dense felt and the finish is suede like and hard to discern from the finish of my 100 with my eyes closed. Sorry, didn't mean to do a comparison.
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Bama: about as nice as a hat can be!!
I’m glad you compared, especially the “with eyes closed” comment.
I have a “hand me a hat in the dark theory” and open your eyes surprised!
I assume you will grace the CB thread with this bitchin cool hat?? Ya
B
 

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Pony Express finally arrived from San Diego. OC 7X CB with a 5 1/2" crown and a 2 5/8" brim. It's a hat from the 60's, the same as my Stetson 100 and there are some similarities. Color is a a little darker on the 7X and the 100 has a 2 3/4" brim. The brim on the 7 is very stiff and almost flat. The crown is firm but molds easily dry and holds it shape as well as it pops out of it. Very dense felt and the finish is suede like and hard to discern from the finish of my 100 with my eyes closed. Sorry, didn't mean to do a comparison.
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Beautiful, Greg!
 

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Pony Express finally arrived from San Diego. OC 7X CB with a 5 1/2" crown and a 2 5/8" brim. It's a hat from the 60's, the same as my Stetson 100 and there are some similarities. Color is a a little darker on the 7X and the 100 has a 2 3/4" brim. The brim on the 7 is very stiff and almost flat. The crown is firm but molds easily dry and holds it shape as well as it pops out of it. Very dense felt and the finish is suede like and hard to discern from the finish of my 100 with my eyes closed. Sorry, didn't mean to do a comparison.
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Nice, Greg. Your going to have fun with that one.


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Dlaniger

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We don't see this brand around very often (if at all), which is strange considering its standing. Guiseppe Borsalino was an apprentice there and it kind of shows I think. Many thanks to Daniele, who pointed this one out to me, and with a little e-mailing back and forth to France it came about.
Berteil castor. Size 56, with the raw edge brim at 6,5cm and the crown 10cm at the pinch.

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So, how does it compare? Well, very favorably I can say. If you wouldn't know better you would be forgiven to think that this was a Borsalino, judging just by the look of it. Shape, proportions, flange are all very close to the house from Alessandria. Even the colour is almost the same as the Borsalino Caffe colour. A tad lighter and a bit more reddish.
Where Borsalino improved upon his old teacher was the finishing though. The sweatband is not of the highest standard (a more common problem with French hats) and the liner is not fitted as tight as one in a Borsalino. But I'm really nitpicking here.
This is a beaver hat (those two beavers on the sweatband are there to advertise that) and the felt came to life almost instantly when I lightly steamed it. Shapes like a dream and has a lovely hand and feels like it will last forever. Nice thin felt and the hat is fairly lightweight at 105 grams.
There are no labels inside the hat unfortunately, but the sweatband and especially the liner make me think this is probably forties, maybe even late thirties.
I would buy these all day long, thank you.

Wow! Looks just like a Borsalino; color and profile. Very special hat, Steur.


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Dlaniger

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Here is the calf. I am liking this one a lot. Although with a 5 1/2" crown and 2 3/4 brim, I couldn't resist putting a cattleman crease on it. I also have a black thin ribbon on the way. Thanks again Bowen! Feel like I got both Ginger and Maryann!
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I like it DD! I am partial to the peluche finish. The crease is perfect. Just your style! You will be ready for the cold weather for sure.


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