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[Tiki Tom]

So… Lockheed Martin.
Credible sources have claimed that Lockheed Martin is in possession of at least one recovered off-world craft. David Grusch has reportedly given the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) the ADDRESS where Lockheed Martin is (or was) storing this crashed UFO. In the famous Eric Davis/Admiral Wilson memo, Wilson supposedly complained that he was Not allowed access to this program. Davis has supposedly confirmed the authenticity of this memo recently.
AND YET… where do we stand? Nothing but unproven allegations. Is the high status of the claimants enough to give them credibility? To a degree, but not completely.
I am a bit surprised that, with all these stories about Lockheed Martin dribbling out, there aren’t any verifiable leaks, photos, insider whistleblowers, etc. Has LM itself made a statement? Not that I know of.
Again: rumor says we will have more congressional hearings before year end.

 

[Tiki Tom]

Caught on film: A luminous orb moves across a field and then, suddenly, it transforms into two humanoid beings. Just as suddenly they then turn back into an orb. The film is from Mexico. Crazy stuff.

 

[Leather_nube]

Thoughts?

https://theconversation.com/belief-...ail&utm_term=0_b27a691814-246b893cb9-50121024

 

[Tiki Tom]

Thoughts?

https://theconversation.com/belief-...ail&utm_term=0_b27a691814-246b893cb9-50121024

Oh, please.
basically:
1. Ufo stories are anti-democratic because they promote conspiracy theories;
2. Ufo stories are anti-intellectual because they dismiss science;
3. ufo stories are racist because they misrepresent the stories/legends of indigenous peoples AND because one group of aliens are supposedly “the nordics” who are supposedly tall and fair skinned.
Therefore, ufo stories will lead to the degrading of society.
But this fluffy “think piece” does not mention the tic tac videos, or last year’s congressional hearings, or David Grusch or Luis Alizondo, or Senate draft legislation requiring private aerospace corporations to give any off-world material they may have to the government in a transparent manner. Why are serious politicians even proposing such language?
In short the article promotes one opinion (it’s all nonsense) and doesn’t address legitimate reasons why some might wonder if something unexplained is going on.
i particularly was amused when the article said that Jimmy Carter’s ufo sighting “was probably Venus.”
I don’t mind people asking questions and having doubts, but this is a bigoted know-it-all piece of smug condescension.

 

[Leather_nube]

Oh, please.
basically:
1. Ufo stories are anti-democratic because they promote conspiracy theories;
2. Ufo stories are anti-intellectual because they dismiss science;
3. ufo stories are racist because they misrepresent the stories/legends of indigenous peoples AND because one group of aliens are supposedly “the nordics” who are supposedly tall and fair skinned.
Therefore, ufo stories will lead to the degrading of society.
But this fluffy “think piece” does not mention the tic tac videos, or last year’s congressional hearings, or David Grusch or Luis Alizondo, or Senate draft legislation requiring private aerospace corporations to give any off-world material they may have to the government in a transparent manner. Why are serious politicians even proposing such language?
In short the article promotes one opinion (it’s all nonsense) and doesn’t address legitimate reasons why some might wonder if something unexplained is going on.
i particularly was amused when the article said that Jimmy Carter’s ufo sighting “was probably Venus.”
I don’t mind people asking questions and having doubts, but this is a bigoted know-it-all piece of smug condescension.

Sounds like you would be well armed to write a response letter to the paper (https://kclpure.kcl.ac.uk/portal/en...-alien-visitation-claims-as-a-societal-proble) and get it peer reviewed and published.

 

[Tiki Tom]

Thanks for your vote of confidence.
if I may ask, you have neglected to mention your views on the topic.

 

[Olumin]

It’s not my job to convince anyone. Everyone is entitled to their own believes. Why would I think I have to change anyone’s mind?. What gives us the idea that we are “right” and they are “wrong”. If anyone talks like that I’d advise to run as far as you can because they’re the real lunatic.

If someone doesn't want to believe something, nothing in the whole universe will convince them. There are people who have seen aliens hover right above their heads who still find ways to dismiss the idea. It’s the minds way to cope with trauma, loss of identity and collapsing world views. The mind is surprisingly good at coping with these things. Or perhaps not so surprisingly.

 

[Leather_nube]

Thanks for your vote of confidence.
if I may ask, you have neglected to mention your views on the topic.

Apologies for the late response.

My views on the topic are similar to my views on the existence of omnipotent supernatural beings. In both cases there is a lack of conclusive evidence for their existence. Atheism is a common standpoint in relation to god/or gods. Dawkins takes this standpoint. I think his argument for atheism rather than agnosticism was more of a moral one than a scientific one.

Both standpoints however, “something exists” or “it doesn’t exist”, in the absence of evidence, is essentially a belief. In my opinion anyway. I’ve not been gifted with an abundance of belief/faith. As such, I remain agnostic and reserve the right to change my stance should conclusive evidence emerge.

The chat and videos are a bit of craic anyway.

 

[Tiki Tom]

Lt. General and National Security Advisor, H.R. McMaster on UFOs yesterday…

https://www.instagram.com/uap_files/reel/C_m86heNEKm/

Again, when super high level people like McMaster says stuff like this, it has to lend a Little credibility to the topic. He doesn’t say he knows what it is, only that something unknown is occurring.

 

[Tiki Tom]

Police across USA given new UFO handbook.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...warn-craft-pose-significant-safety-risks.html

Perhaps it’s a practical joke? Or an early April Fools stunt? Or maybe they think there is enough evidence to warrant such a step. it is a whacky world.

 

[Hurricane Jack]

Whether you’re a fan of Greer’s or not, listen to what he has to say about Christopher Mellon, Nick Pope, Chaney, etc.

 

[Tiki Tom]

Great Greer interview! Thanks. I enjoyed it. I especially like the parts where he slightly over does it when he talks about his own importance.
Greer is certainly one of the most controversial and divisive people in ufology. He talks a good game. But his humble origins and his pre-retirement career don’t quite align with his claims of being a super intelligence insider who has had the ear of everyone who has ever been in power.
Which isn’t to say that all Mr Greer’s ideas are wrong. His statement that all those well-known names are merely spreading disinformation might be right on target. Who knows?
The Steven M. Greer persona is a fun one; sincere fabulist or deep cover ufo insider? You decide.

Needless to say, opinions are my own and are worth exactly nothing.

 

[Hurricane Jack]

I especially like the parts where he slightly over does it when he talks about his own importance.
Greer is certainly one of the most controversial and divisive people in ufology.

Agreed. His ego often takes precedence. I’m not a fan of his.

But his humble origins and his pre-retirement career don’t quite align with his claims of being a super intelligence insider who has had the ear of everyone who has ever been in power.

He only practiced ER medicine for <10 yrs. I once tried to learn anything about his parents & grandparents but drew a blank. I just find it hard to trust most of what he says.

 

[Tiki Tom]

Sounds like a Senate hearing is scheduled for this month.

https://www.askapol.com/p/gillibrand-says-public-uap-hearing-scheduled-in-senate

My expectations are low.

 

[Tiki Tom]

Update. Hearing to take place after the election.

https://nypost.com/2024/09/15/us-ne...from-pentagon-as-gillibrand-presses-for-data/

 

[Tiki Tom]

For heaven’s sake! He just blew it for me.
His book hit #1 on the NYT bestseller list. He should have left it at that.
I was fine with him talking UFO mumbo-jumbo because that was in his wheelhouse and it was not too much a stretch to think he might Have had access to legitimate information.
But now he is weighing in on whether or not the government still has a secret remote viewing program. (Project Star Gate was supposedly shut down 30 years ago.) His ufo duties did not come with need to know about remote viewing. How would he Have access to this knowledge and why blab it, when it is outside of the ufo discussion? So, on top of ufo mumbo-jumbo, he’s talking psychic mumbo-jumbo.
Those who know, don’t tell. Those who tell, don’t know.
Unfortunately, credibility is a unified whole. If he blows his credibility In one area, the rest of his story also loses credibility.
or am I over-reacting?

 

[Benny Holiday]

I agree 100% Tom. Those who know, don't tell etc. It's already difficult enough for any supposed witness to add credibility to what is basically an incredible topic by its very nature. Stretching the story further isn't going to help.

 

[Tiki Tom]

This is good. Triangle shaped craft filmed near Amarillo Texas in August.
But can we trust it? Is it genuine?

 

[Leather_nube]

So it’s not ufo based but I do recall some interest in this thread on the fabric of the universe. This just popped up,

https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-...ail&utm_term=0_b27a691814-8e960bd576-50121024

And this,

https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-...ail&utm_term=0_b27a691814-8e960bd576-50121024

On the Nature briefing mailing list. Not gone through it yet but suspect some might find it fun.

 

[Tiki Tom]

^^^^
This is good stuff. Thank you. And it is not totally unrelated to the ufo question. If you read “Encounters” by Professor D.W. Pasulka, you’ll note that she discusses UFOs in a way that makes one question the very nature of the universe/reality.

I am happy to be alive at a time when physicists are starting to question if spacetime is fundamental. It seems that the mathematical physics formulas all fall to pieces and become nonsense if you fall into a black hole, shrink down to Planck Length, or venture back before the Big Bang. Physicists believe that this fact alone indicates that our best thinking has holes in it or is, maybe, somehow wrong. As the articles that you posted confirm, an increasing number of our best and brightest are starting to wonder if space and time actually emerge from something even more basic and profound hidden beneath the spacetime scaffolding.

How exciting! If this is true, almost anything might be possible. But what could it be? My favorite contender is “consciousness “. But that’s crazy talk, Billy-Bob! I love that something called the new physics is in the throws of being born.

BTW, there is another sputtering thread in the observation bar titled “explain the three-sphere to me”. It is all about the very nature of reality. I may be the only person interested in it. Take a look. Your thoughts would be welcome.