OT:TaxMan Ebay

[Dixon Cannon]

I ain't really gonna ask and I really don't want to know but you may want to send a letter to Wesley Snipes in about 3 years about this. He is gonna be a wee bit busy for awhile plus a whole lot poorer. [huh]

Ain't that the truth! Poor Wes is the victim of an un-informed and ill-informed jury - a common problem in our society today. I feel sorry for him; right train, wrong track!

-dixon cannon

 

[Baron Kurtz]

Seems fair to treat all income the same. I have issues with tax and the right of the government to take it from me, but if i'm being taxed on my very hard earned earnings, so should other people. That's only fair.

Indiana was particularly absurd. Their tax forms suggest that if you buy anything (say, a pack of cigarettes) out of State, you should give Indiana the money you should have paid in taxes, and claim back your "other state" taxes back from the State in which you bought the cigarettes. And believe me, Indiana does very little with the tax money it receives from its residents. The roads are abysmal, the schools are a mess. Good god, they can't even decide which damn time zone they're in! And i was expected to fund that group of pitiful cretins? And i couldn't vote for anything!


"No taxation without representation"!

bk

 

[Dixon Cannon]

Seems fair to treat all income the same. I have issues with tax and the right of the government to take it from me, but if i'm being taxed on my very hard earned earnings, so should other people. That's only fair.

Indiana was particularly absurd. Their tax forms suggest that if you buy anything (say, a pack of cigarettes) out of State, you should give Indiana the money you should have paid in taxes, and claim back your "other state" taxes back from the State in which you bought the cigarettes. And believe me, Indiana does very little with the tax money it receives from its residents. The roads are abysmal, the schools are a mess. Good god, they can't even decide which damn time zone they're in! And i was expected to fund that group of pitiful cretins? And i couldn't vote for anything[/I
"No taxation without representation"!

bk

Agreed, agreed! Isn't it curious that Americans fought one revolution over 'taxation without representation', but seem reluctant to fight a new one over 'taxation with mis-representation'! I have no quarrel whatsoever paying any indirect/voluntary Constitutional taxes. I rebel against cohercion to partipate in taxation that, otherwise, wouldn't apply. That is the very nut of the case!

-dixon cannon

 

[KittyT]

Agreed, agreed! Isn't it curious that Americans fought one revolution over 'taxation without representation', but seem reluctant to fight a new one over 'taxation with mis-representation'!

No, it isn't. What IS curious is that no bartenders have stepped in yet to stop this absurdity.

 

[Foofoogal]

Huh?[huh]

 

[Dixon Cannon]

Wha...!? [huh]

 

[Baron Kurtz]

I see three comments from bartenders, and one from an ex-bartender.

Really, this is a pretty mild thread.

bk

 

[BellyTank]

Yeah, those money grubbin' taxmen get enough already! In Canada ESPECIALLY! In fact, their taxes are about 48-50% when I was there a few years ago... can ya imagine half your pay check going to taxes? Yes, they all claim to have "free" health care... well brother, THEY PAY FOR IT!!! By way of taxes of course!

Don't knock it 'til you tried it- it works.

It's quite obvious that many people use eBay as an income- more than just a hobby- just see how many items are on offer and how many they've sold.
They should be paying tax. There needs to be some floor/ceiling set.


B
T

 

[KittyT]

Wha...!? [huh]

Debates about whether or not we should be paying taxes to the US Government borders dangerously on political discussion.

 

[nobodyspecial]

The fact is we do have taxation with representation. This is a fact rather than a political statement. The IRS doesn't make our tax laws. Tax laws are made by our elected representatives, the IRS is merely in place to enforce the laws as passed. If you are unhappy with tax laws you should write your elected representatives. I'm not endorsing our tax laws, the laws are simply a collection of political agreements passed and modified over decades of time.

 

[KittyT]

The fact is we do have taxation with representation.

Unless you are a resident of Washington DC.

 

[Copper]

Yeah, those money grubbin' taxmen get enough already! In Canada ESPECIALLY! In fact, their taxes are about 48-50% when I was there a few years ago... can ya imagine half your pay check going to taxes? Yes, they all claim to have "free" health care... well brother, THEY PAY FOR IT!!! By way of taxes of course!

Not sure where you get the 48-50% figure from. I am in the next-to-highest tax bracket and pay 26% federal income tax. Those making over $120k per year pay 29%. It is high for sure, and would never dispute that, but it is nowhere near half of what I make.

We don't claim to have free healthcare as that would be ridiculous. We have universal healthcare. Although it is not without its problems, Canadians by and large cherish the idea of universal care despite its high cost.

 

[nobodyspecial]

Unless you are a resident of Washington DC.

The exception that proves the rule.

 

[Baron Kurtz]

Or unless you are a foreigner who must pay tax, yet has no say about who makes the laws. i.e. Is not represented.

bk

 

[jamespowers]

Or unless you are a foreigner who must pay tax, yet has no say about who makes the laws. i.e. Is not represented.

bk

Realistically, you could become naturalized---unless you were here illegally.

 

[Forgotten Man]

Don't knock it 'til you tried it- it works.

B
T

I did try it... I lived in Canada for two years... and I'm damn glad I didn't have anything serious to go see a doctor for! Because, the waiting list was LOOOONG! And people get treated for one thing, when they really have another illness!

May work for some, but, I don't want my hard earned money paying for others... that's why we have the US... because people were sick and tired of the "Royal Treatment" If you know what I mean... lol So, we came here, colonized, and then finally broke away from the English.

I feel that Ebay sellers shouldn't be taxed... ya know why? Because, the government receives more then enough money from the US people already!

And the very idea of the three stooges who are running in the race for the presidency is scaaaaaaaaaaaary! Because, anyone of them mugs are goin' to up taxes!

NUTS TO THAT!

R=

 

[Dixon Cannon]

The fact is we do have taxation with representation. This is a fact rather than a political statement. The IRS doesn't make our tax laws. Tax laws are made by our elected representatives, the IRS is merely in place to enforce the laws as passed. If you are unhappy with tax laws you should write your elected representatives. I'm not endorsing our tax laws, the laws are simply a collection of political agreements passed and modified over decades of time.

This is well stated but prompts the question; "Do you really know what those laws SAY, and to WHOM THEY APPLY? Are your elected representatives being honest with you about the LAW and to WHOM IT APPLIES? Have you agreed to one law only to have it enforced outside of it's original intent and lawful application?"

This is what is meant by "taxation with mis-representation". Representatives, elected or bureaucratic, can say the Law means anything they want. It's up to you as a citizen to discover it's meaning, it's intent, and it's application. Many, many Americans know more about 'Dancing With the Idol Survivor' than they know about their laws - specifically they laws that cost them money!

I, for one, have spent the last three decades studying the law, federal income tax laws in particular. What we're told the law says, and what the law ACTUALLY says are indeed two different things altogether. Those who know the law and act accordingly regarding the laws intent and application keep their earnings. Those who don't know the law and 'voluntarily comply' with what and how the "THINK" the law applies, needlessly spend a portion of their hard-won earnings on things they otherwise neither would want, need, or desire.

That, of course, is the reason and the meaning of terms like 'individual self assessment' and 'voluntary compliance'. That is our representatives (elected and bureaucratic) telling us, "we're have no intention of telling what the law IS. That is up to you to figure out. But after you've wisely or erroneously assessed your financial situation you can 'volunteer' to participate if you've determined that the secret law applies to you."

Our elected and bureaucratic representatives have sown a minefield of law, directive, regulation, statute, mendacity and deceit. It is up to each citizen to "Crack The Code" and read the map of that minefield to discover the clear path. Many, many Americans choose not to do that and would rather 'pay-up' to avoid the hassle (read: responsibility!). The pay-off of getting the answer right on "Let's Play Millionaire, You're Fired" is much more rewarding for some - expensive!...but somehow rewarding.

Anyone can P.M. me anytime for keys to the map if they'd like - or not. It too is voluntary!

-dixon cannon

 

[Dixon Cannon]

Unless you are a resident of Washington DC.

Oh yeh, by the way; Washington D.C. does have representation. It is in fact, the Congress of the United States of America who has complete jurisdiction and authority.

That's in the rule book: The Constitution of the United States of America, Art.I, Sec.8:17.."To excercise Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cessation of particular States and Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States...." That is what came to be known as the District of Columbia, or Washington D.C.

Oh, and also by the way, as such, residents there lawfully and legally owe a federal Income Tax as per Amendment 16 of that same U.S. Constitution. Sorry!

-dixon cannon

P.S. to avoid confusion, this isn't politics, it's law.

 

[nobodyspecial]

I feel that Ebay sellers shouldn't be taxed... ya know why? Because, the government receives more then enough money from the US people already!R=

That's a bit nuts in my opinion. Who then should pay taxes? Why would profits from ebay be different from profits from any other business?

 

[Dixon Cannon]

And the very idea of the three stooges who are running in the race for the presidency is scaaaaaaaaaaaary! Because, anyone of them mugs are goin' to up taxes!

NUTS TO THAT!
R=

Actually, there are at least four in the race, one of whom has proven by his record that he is no stooge.
You won't hear his name in the main stream media any longer, but (hint, hint!), his book is #1 on the
Amazon list this week! http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Manifesto-Ron-Paul/dp/0446537519/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b

Wink wink, nudge, nudge, say no more!
-dixon cannon