- Messages
- 54,308
They have been over a long time. She was a drug addict. Then again so was he.I hadn't thought about your Governor Brown in a long time. Did he and Linda Ronstadt split, or are they still a thing?
AF
They have been over a long time. She was a drug addict. Then again so was he.I hadn't thought about your Governor Brown in a long time. Did he and Linda Ronstadt split, or are they still a thing?
AF
They have been over a long time. She was a drug addict. Then again so was he.
But add to that being a drug addict hippie and you have something else entirely.I know. I know. But I ain't exactly what I used to be, either!
AF
That right there is one of the most astounding voting block shifts ever. Practically overnight, an entire ethnic population switched party allegiance. I doubt we'll ever see something as amazing again.
Does anyone know when that happened and the circumstances? I have a hazy recollection it was between 1890 and 1900, the occasion coinciding with the Democrats dropping their call for 'hard' money & small government in favor of an expanded caretaker state.
"Overnight"? I suppose, if thirty years is your idea of "Overnight". There was a definite shift towards Roosevelt, and a lesser shift towards Democratic self-identification which was discernible in the 1936 Roosevelt landslide, but the real Democratic shift began in earnest after President Truman issued his order desegregating the Armed Forces. The passage of the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts under the leadership of President Johnson, and the virulent opposition to these acts by Barry Goldwater precipitated the final shift away from the Party of Lincoln.
In the "Ninties and 'Oughts, by the way, partisan alignment was little like that of the past thirty years. The Republicans had both their "Standpatters" and their "Progressives", as did the Democrats.
"Overnight"? I suppose, if thirty years is your idea of "Overnight". There was a definite shift towards Roosevelt, and a lesser shift towards Democratic self-identification which was discernible in the 1936 Roosevelt landslide, but the real Democratic shift began in earnest after President Truman issued his order desegregating the Armed Forces. The passage of the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts under the leadership of President Johnson, and the virulent opposition to these acts by Barry Goldwater precipitated the final shift away from the Party of Lincoln.
In the "Ninties and 'Oughts, by the way, partisan alignment was little like that of the past thirty years. The Republicans had both their "Standpatters" and their "Progressives", as did the Democrats.
They tell me that the Democrat Party left them...
AF
Hmm..you must be a very serious democrat. lol
Um, it is "The Democratic Party", NOT "The Democrat Party".
I will never forget the fantastic scene of Governor Rockefeller’s ordeal as he endured what must have been three minutes of hysterical abuse and booing which interrupted his fighting statement which the convention managers had managed to delay until the wee hours of the morning. Since the telecast was coming from the West Coast, that meant that many people in other sections of the country, because of the time differential, would be in their beds. I don’t think he has ever stood taller than that night when he refused to be silenced until he had had his say.
It was a terrible hour for the relatively few black delegates who were present. Distinguished in their communities, identified with the cause of Republicanism, an extremely unpopular cause among blacks, they had been served notice that the party they had fought for considered them just another bunch of “n*****s”. They had no real standing in the convention, no clout. They were unimportant and ignored. One bigot from one of the Deep South states actually threw acid on a black delegate’s suit jacket and burned it. Another one, from the Alabama delegation where I was standing at the time of the Rockefeller speech, turned on me menacingly while I was shouting “C’mon Rocky” as the governor stood his ground. He started up in his seat as if to come after me. His wife grabbed his arm and pulled him back.
“Turn him loose, lady, turn him loose,” I shouted.
I was ready for him. I wanted him badly, but luckily for him he obeyed his wife.
-- Jackie Robinson, "I Never Had It Made", Chapter 15: Being Black Among The Republicans.
The recently announced demand for lands from Turkey by the Prosecutor General of Armenia attracted much attention from Armenians worldwide and harsh criticism from the Turkish government. While this was the first time that an Armenian official had raised this issue since the country’s independence in 1991, the demand itself is not new. Armenians have been seeking the return of their historic territories from Turkey for decades.
A confidential 1943 document, declassified by the Central Intelligence Agency, reveals that the US government was well aware of the Armenian demands for recognition of the “atrocities” and return of Turkish occupied “provinces.”
That's what's great about this forum. I learn something every time I log on. Here I've been a registered Democrat since November of 1973, and I never knew anything about a Republican effort to re-brand my party. But then again, I never thought to look up the term in the dictionary and I seldom read the New Yorker. In self defense, though, I did use both terms interchangeably in my post above.
AF
It's a pretty chilling account of the political environment in 1964 -- you can read the full chapter here -- and helps explain a lot of what's happened since -- the embrace of the former Dixiecrats/Wallaceites by the Nixon campaign as part of the "southern strategy" in 1968 horrified Robinson and his fellow black Republicans even more, and certainly it did nothing to endear the party to the rank and file of black voters. Those events are still living memory to a lot of people.
I was born in '69 so my memory of the 'Nam era is very hazy. I grew up in Northern Florida, real 'redneck' country. I have since asked my parents and they said the two local universities had very little anti-war protesting and neither of them ever saw a hippie at all in that timeframe (and Mom said she would have known one when she saw one, if she ever had).There were great swaths of the country where "The Sixties" never happened. We never had a single rock record in our house when I was growing up -- the closest thing to it was my mother's 78 of "Sh-Boom" -- we never knew anyone who used pot, LSD, or any of the rest of that crap...
Interesting how we're now hearing that there are polls on the most previous President Bush and how the public has a more forgiving opinion of the man already. No matter what you think of his presidency either way, it's a fact that he had a lot of detractors. And that fact is slowly vanishing. That's what bigs me, as FDR had a not of people who hated him and now the history books will tell you everyone loved the man and everything he stood for, when most of us know that is hardly the reality of his time.