Not Sissy Actors but REAL MEN

[MudInYerEye]

I am sorry to hear you feel that way. I hope one day you get to experience that kind of love.....but this is all way off topic.

Trust me MK, I've been in as deep a love as anyone "here", and I have lived with my wonderful girlfriend for years. But, as a dyed-in-the-wool Shavian, I don't rely on traditional conventions to form my beliefs.
If I have offended ANYONE by not believing in the ancient concept of marrige, or by veering off-topic (it wasn't intentional), please accept my sincerest apologies.

 

[Strider]

And a woman's man too.

True. He was desired by women because he didn't take any crap from anyone.

 

[jamespowers]

I should have said, "relatively speaking". Compared to most other Hollywood leading men of the time, Garfield was ugly. (That's Hollywood for you.) Compared to normal men, he was definitely better than average.

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I thought you would like this guy:

Maurice Chevalier---any relation?

Regards,

J

 

[Tony in Tarzana]

What the heck's a...

http://independentshavian.org/

Is that it?

 

[MudInYerEye]

Mud in yer eye...that kind of mentality is NOT what women are looking for! scary....

50,000,000 Mud fans can't be wrong.

 

[HistWardrobe]

Real men

Here's a couple nobody's mentioned yet:

1. Senator Bob Dole -- for heroism and for triumph over adversity. As a young lieutenant in the 10th Mountain Division, stepped on a landmine while rescuing a wounded comrade during the siege at Montecassino (April '45). Was not expected to live, nearly lost an arm and leg, ended up losing most of the function in his right arm. Didn't let it get him down. Became one of the best US Senators in American history, Senate majority leader and "the best President we never had". His book "One Soldier's Story", published last year, details the remarkable story of his WW2 record and the long road to recovery

2. Raul Wallenberg - as a Swedish diplomat in Hungary, put his own life on the line and saved more Jews from the Nazis than Oskar Schindler, yet few people have heard of him because nobody's made a feature film about him. When the Soviets occupied Hungary, Wallenberg was taken to Moscow. Despite Glasnost, the subsequent fall of the Soviet Union, etc etc, we still don't know what happened to him. Despite official reports that he died in the Lyubyanka prison in '47, there were reports of Wallenberg sitings in Soviet gulags and prisons as late as the 1970s.
http://www.raoulwallenberg.net/english/wallening.htm

 

[scotrace]

You know it, I know it and the American People Know it.

Excellent additions.

 

[NewMexExpat]

May be of interest here...

Of course Theodore Roosevelt (I spent practically a whole day visiting his house in New York)...

I want to go to the Oyster Bay house very very very very much.
There's a 2'X4' engraving of TR in my living room.

I just checked in the July 3 issue of Time magazine. I really like the striking portrait on the cover.

Prompted by the discussion here, I read every TR article in the issue, (slow day here). Enjoy.

- Mark

 

[mysterygal]

50,000,000 Mud fans can't be wrong.

hmmm...would be interesting just how many of those women have seriously low self-esteem! Who wants a relationship with that issue?
That's what marriage is for, a commitment to be true. And that's why there are people who stay single, or perhaps should stay single...they can't handle the commitment

 

[VintageJess]

Here's a couple nobody's mentioned yet:

1. Senator Bob Dole -- for heroism and for triumph over adversity. As a young lieutenant in the 10th Mountain Division, stepped on a landmine while rescuing a wounded comrade during the siege at Montecassino (April '45). Was not expected to live, nearly lost an arm and leg, ended up losing most of the function in his right arm. Didn't let it get him down. Became one of the best US Senators in American history, Senate majority leader and "the best President we never had". His book "One Soldier's Story", published last year, details the remarkable story of his WW2 record and the long road to recovery

And let us not forget his tireless fundraising efforts for the World War II Memorial in Washington, D.C.

Jessica

 

[Feraud]

Mud is a buddy of mine and if he is quoting 50 million gals then it has got to be true!

hmmm...would be interesting just how many of those women have seriously low self-esteem! Who wants a relationship with that issue?
That's what marriage is for, a commitment to be true. And that's why there are people who stay single, or perhaps should stay single...they can't handle the commitment

There are many folks who can make a pretty strong argument against marriage. One could suggest the social pressues of marriage, and having to bear and raise children as the "only option" available to women for many centuries as somewhat detrimental to self-esteem. There are the untold number of women who have stood by an unfaithful and/or abusive husband because divorce is not socially acceptable or families being abandoned by a man have probably not contributed to the self-esteem of women over time.

Of course I am married so I ain't gonna suggest it.

 

[mysterygal]

Mud is a buddy of mine and if he is quoting 50 million gals then it has got to be true!


There are many folks who can make a pretty strong argument against marriage. One could suggest the social pressues of marriage, and having to bear and raise children as the "only option" available to women for many centuries as somewhat detrimental to self-esteem. There are the untold number of women who have stood by an unfaithful and/or abusive husband because divorce is not socially acceptable or families being abandoned by a man have probably not contributed to the self-esteem of women over time.

Of course I am married so I ain't gonna suggest it.

fftopic: Today though, I really don't see the kind of pressure on people to get married as was once the case. Marriage has been viewed in a very negative light. I would NOT suggest a woman stay living at home with a husband who was unfaithful or abusive...nor do I say that divorce is the only option, situations and people change, if they want to. situations does call for a woman/guy to leave , there is no reason why a woman should stay in a harmful environment.
It has also been proven with children, that their self esteem is generally higher than those who live in single parent dwellings.

 

[Baron Kurtz]

I guess, like Mud, i don't see how one particular way of controlling one's sexuality has anything to do with being a man, or not.

Ernest Hemingway. one who has been mentioned multiple times here, would be precluded from manhood by this line of argument.

bk

 

[Caledonia]

President John F Kennedy. Do I need to say why?

 

[Feraud]

I tend to not rely of studies and what they purport to prove. There is a statistic to prove anything out there!

Ernest Hemingway. one who has been mentioned multiple times here, would be precluded from manhood by this line of argument.

bk

lol lol True.

I believe the original comment on marriage being a manly trait is less indicative on the thing, in this case marriage, and more on the intent. The intent being a man who says he is going to do something and follows through on it. Of course women do this all the time but for sake of argument let us deem it a "manly trait". btw, there are plenty of traits the women exhibit that crossover into the male arena. Loyalty, bravery, etc. How odd is that?

 

[Marc Chevalier]

President John F Kennedy. Do I need to say why?

My dad, as officer of the deck on the USS Kitty Hawk, an aircraft carrier, met JFK there in '62. Dad -- who didn't even vote for Kennedy in '60 -- said that JFK radiated an extraordinary charisma. The President was tan, looked healthy and energetic, moved with great bearing, smiled with confidence, looked you straight in the eye, and was extremely well-tailored to boot.

Manly? Folks thought so at the time. Perhaps Kennedy just had "It".

An actor? All politicians are actors, especially presidents.


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[Feraud]

President John F Kennedy. Do I need to say why?

I doubt anyone could make an argument he was manly to begin with. [huh]

 

[scotrace]

JFK: The PT 109 heroicism was pretty manly. As was his stoic battle with chronic back pain and illness. He was probably less healthy than FDR, as President.


The TR cover of this issue of TIME is really neat. But: He would have HATED "Teddy."
Magneto, do you have pictures of your Oyster Bay trip that can be shared?

 

[jamespowers]

JFK: The PT 109 heroicism was pretty manly. As was his stoic battle with chronic back pain and illness. He was probably less healthy than FDR, as President.

The average PT boat commander would have been disciplined at least for such ineptness. A fast PT boat got hit by that slow huge ship. That is the definition of ineptitude. What was he paying attention to? :eusa_doh:

Regards,

J

 

[jamespowers]

I believe the original comment on marriage being a manly trait is less indicative on the thing, in this case marriage, and more on the intent. The intent being a man who says he is going to do something and follows through on it. Of course women do this all the time but for sake of argument let us deem it a "manly trait". btw, there are plenty of traits the women exhibit that crossover into the male arena. Loyalty, bravery, etc. How odd is that?

Like my father used to say: "If he stood up there and pledged in front of God and his relatives to be faith and wasn't---I'm not going to trust him either."
Commitment to your word is the number one thing that makes you a man or woman for that matter. You blow off promises and vows---nothing else makes a difference. :eusa_booh

Regards to all,

J