Stuart hating this whole community? If you guys want to feel targeted, it is up to you. I don't and many others in this community don't either.
I think this is an overstatement Mitch. In this forum I have learned a tremendous amount from its membership. I really value the people who contribute here. Who actually contribute. But more importantly, I have made what I consider to be genuine friends, many of whom I communicate with outside this space. I’m sure that ups myHonestly, you make him look like the worst human being on the planet. I don’t get it...
My favorite local athletic team is now owned by a person I find repugnant in action and word. I’m still a fan. Like Mich said unless we’re talking about the child sex trade or some other equally heinous act I can 100% separate the person from the product.
That said, i figure these sites are his only source of advertising...?
Read the thread first and then the interview. I expected it to be much more caustic. It just sounded like a cut-n-paste from his webiste.
That is a very good question, certainly not us lol . . . he doesn't like a certain type of customer and these are the ones he is venting against.
@red devil ,
First and foremost, I have nothing but respect for you and my disagreement with your perspective on Stu does not diminish my paramount respect for you.
Your suggestion that Stu is not disparaging all TFL members (“certainly not us”) is demonstrably inaccurate. Read his rant proudly displayed on his website. Here are Stu’s exact words:
On the various flight and vintage jacket forums, where "men" put up digital pictures for their "buddies" of how they look in flight jackets -- children dressing up, no, cross-dressing as adults -- one can read expert instructions on aging, softening, antiquing new jackets to give them that flown-in look, for those whose knowledge of American history and masculine imagery are but flights of the remotest fantasy. There's putting 'em in the washer, sanding, nail polish remover, heat treatments. Avoid these forums, their self-appointed, fatuous "authorities" and instructions like syphilis if you want to know anything -- tanning, history, technical data (Nietzsche might say rulers are only for the small)-- about this important if esoteric niche of Americana. A disgrace that manly pursuits are contaminated by the unmanly. Welcome to the afterbirths of political correctness. Mass eunuchry -- a different kind of gun control.
Stu is expressly addressing – and disparaging – every single member of jacket forums, including TFL, and INCLUDING YOU. In the quoted text, Stu is NOT venting against “certain types of customers,” as you suggest. To the contrary, his rant does not mention customers at all. Rather, his rant is expressly directed at EVERYONE who posts on jacket forums, WITHOUT EXCEPTION. There are no carve-outs – no exclusions – no distinguishing between forum members. The wholesale disparagement applies to everyone who dares to post on a jacket forum. IMHO, there is no other rationale interpretation of Stu’s words.
You frequently post wonderful photos on TFL of you wearing your superlative jackets. Your photos are fantastic and greatly enhance our community. Thank you – I really enjoy your photos. That said, Stu believes – and has publicly and permanently stated – that, because you post photos of yourself wearing your jackets, you are a cross-dressing child ("children dressing up, no, cross-dressing as adults"). Stu does not distinguish among those who post photos of themselves – Stu does not state that certain people who post photos of themselves wearing jackets are decent, upstanding folks, and only a small, defined segment of such people are cross-dressing children. To the contrary, his denigration is directed at everyone who posts photos of themselves, INCLUDING YOU. No exceptions or exclusions.
You regularly make informative posts on TFL wherein you share your invaluable knowledge, experiences, and opinions regarding leather jackets. Thank you for greatly enhancing our community. I really enjoy your posts. However, Stu believes that, because you post on a jacket forum, you are "unmanly," a “disgrace,” ball-less ("eunuchry"), delusional about "masculine imagery," and "fatuous." Again, Stu does not distinguish among those who post on jacket forums – Stu does not state that certain people who post on jacket forums are decent, upstanding folks, and only a small, defined segment of such people are "unmanly," a “disgrace,” ball-less, delusional about "masculine imagery," and "fatuous." To the contrary, his denigration is directed at everyone who posts photos on jacket forums, INCLUDING YOU. No exceptions or exclusions.
In fact, Stu expressly states that ALL jacket forums, including TFL, should be avoided like "syphilis." Again, Stu does not exclude TFL from his warning.
You have a different opinion of Stu based on your private communications with him. Of course, your private communications with Stu are not reflected on his website to temper his obnoxious statements and broad disparagement. Therefore, while I sincerely respect your opinion of Stu, I base my opinion on the words that Stu proudly displays on his website. He is a DB!
How does one become one [those "who find necessary ego completion" in forums] and not the other? Where is the dividing line? Who is qualified to make this assessment?
Anyway I don’t think he’s the worst person on the planet at all. I think he needs a hug.
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100% agreed.. I expected to be shocked.. it was nothing.
btw at the end of the Stu article is a video link to an interview of Ken Calder from Aero ( from 2016 but i had never watched it before) that was pretty good and with a great sound track too!
Some footage of Greg Field there too!100% agreed.. I expected to be shocked.. it was nothing.
btw at the end of the Stu article is a video link to an interview of Ken Calder from Aero ( from 2016 but i had never watched it before) that was pretty good and with a great sound track too!
I don't consider myself a manly man and all that and I would probably tick many boxes on Stuart's list of dislikes. I could take Stuart's writings as a personal insult if I wanted to. But to be honest, I couldn't care less what he thinks of me as long as he treats me as an individual customer with sufficient professionalism and he makes me the product I want. I am not buying a smiley face and ass kissing, I am buying a kick ass jacket. That said, Stuart has never been anything but professional and friendly towards me.
In my opinion He, as all of us, is entitled to whatever opinions he has, and he is free to write those down if he wishes to do so. He makes jackets that I like and I'll buy them regardless of his opinions. But then again I don't get this modern trend of people getting insulted and hurt their feelings over everything that they don't agree, or what is not perfectly aligned with their own view of the world.
Luckily enough, even this niche world of high end leather jackets is full of options, and we all can back up our views and opinions with our wallet. If Stuart's opinions hurt your feelings too much, just don't buy his jackets. I'm pretty sure he doesn't care either way because he has chosen his own approach. Easy.
What size is it and what are you asking for it?