Homburg Nation

[Mean Eyed Matt]

New and this one really for me:
Grey Homburg from Scandinavia - from the manufacturer "Danfelt".
There have already been two hats of this brand here, but apparently
there is no thread on Scandinavian hats in general?
Relatively simple ingredients, but quite nicely made.
I think it's from the late 50s or even 60s - liner is already glued in.
Size is a full 58 - height crown 12.0 - width brim 6.0

 

[Steve1857]

Great find, Matt. Congrats to Panos. Wonderful dark blue and matching sweat.

I wonder, when did Wegener stop putting their name on the Cornett? I have a grey Cornett Homburg of a similar vintage, but nowhere does it mention Wegener.

New and also for Panos:
Wegener Cornett Homburg in dark blue with a dark blue (!) sweat.
A fantastic hat with great dimensions and nice felt - and like new.
I haven't seen the lining logo - also with blue - like this before either.
With stiched liner and the plastic liner tip I would say late 1950s.
Size 56 - crown 11,5 at the dent - brim at 5,5/6,0 (sides/front-back).
Sold in Mannheim: Zeumer-Hüte (liner, sweat and plastic protector).

 

[Daniele Tanto]

New and this one really for me:
Grey Homburg from Scandinavia - from the manufacturer "Danfelt".
There have already been two hats of this brand here, but apparently
there is no thread on Scandinavian hats in general?
Relatively simple ingredients, but quite nicely made.
I think it's from the late 50s or even 60s - liner is already glued in.
Size is a full 58 - height crown 12.0 - width brim 6.0

Matt, maybe I'm wrong, but this homburg seems made in Italy despite all the "Scandinavian" details

 

[Steve1857]

Nice looking Homburg, Matt. I don't believe it's made in Denmark though. As far as I know, the manufacture of Danish hats ceased at least a couple of decade's before the 1950s.

New and this one really for me:
Grey Homburg from Scandinavia - from the manufacturer "Danfelt".
There have already been two hats of this brand here, but apparently
there is no thread on Scandinavian hats in general?
Relatively simple ingredients, but quite nicely made.
I think it's from the late 50s or even 60s - liner is already glued in.
Size is a full 58 - height crown 12.0 - width brim 6.0

 

[Mean Eyed Matt]

Matt, maybe I'm wrong, but this homburg seems made in Italy despite all the "Scandinavian" details

Nice looking Homburg, Matt. I don't believe it's made in Denmark though. As far as I know, the manufacture of Danish hats ceased at least a couple of decade's before the 1950s.

Thanks to the gentlemen for the input: now I'm really stumped!
I know some hats that were made in Germany in the 50s,
but want to give the appearance of an "English" production.
But I haven't heard of Italian hats trimmed to "Danish",
marked "Skodsborg" and labeled in English.

Where in Italy do you think it comes from and what are the signs?
If there was the same discussion before and I missed it, I apologize!

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Thanks to the gentlemen for the input: now I'm really stumped!
I know some hats that were made in Germany in the 50s,
but want to give the appearance of an "English" production.
But I haven't heard of Italian hats trimmed to "Danish",
marked "Skodsborg" and labeled in English.

Where in Italy do you think it comes from and what are the signs?
If there was the same discussion before and I missed it, I apologize!

Ciao Matt,
immediately the answer to your questions and then a small historical-economic excursus on the hat production in its golden years.
The label reminds me a lot of some Italian labels used by Borsalino and Vanzina for third party productions, but the shape is that of the homburg and the one used in the large productions of Monza, probably the largest third party production site in the world of hats.
Having said this, let's move on to the processing of hats for third parties. The Italian hat industry was the largest in the world for pieces produced and for the number of hats exported. A good part of these were sold to companies or wholesellers who branded the product according to the needs of the local or regional market, very often with invented brands and dicture in the original sales languages.
Keep in mind that the war on world markets between Italian producers was total and without any mercy. So everything was done to sell.
Your pretty homburg is one of the examples (my opinion), as are other hats that are often seen in certain threads and are branded with "exotic" names and brands. The Italian production branded by historical producers is a part of the hats produced, the rest were "disguised" in many countries, all over the world
Matt we are talking about millions of pieces produced annually at least until the end of the Sixties
There were a large amount of molds for linings in every Italian hat factory, maybe one day I will find them as happened to Steve who found a series of molds from Huckel, if I am not mistaken, for velour, a sector of niche, to be sold on the English market.

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Every now and then my passion for homburg or diplomatique returns, in this case, for a black one

I don't have many variations of this type of hat in black in my collection: too seen.
I kept the ones who cross the threshold of beauty for my taste.

This Flechet tempted me and so here it is

Flechet Foulard size 60 cm, even if I can't find the size indication, in fact it is a 59 perhaps because it has shrunk over time

Unlined and built with a very light felt and a non-sewn sweatband looks like a homgurg for warm seasons.

The construction details are good and the written indications qualify it as a quality product.

Its paper label, handwritten and stamped, seems to carry it to the years between the two world wars as a date of construction.

These are the measures of the French classic: brim curved particularly on the sides 6 cm. crown low point 11 cm. and the ribbon is 5.5cm.

A classic French black homburg with the charm of heyday of hats

 

[Mean Eyed Matt]

Ciao Matt,
immediately the answer to your questions and then a small historical-economic excursus on the hat production in its golden years.
The label reminds me a lot of some Italian labels used by Borsalino and Vanzina for third party productions, but the shape is that of the homburg and the one used in the large productions of Monza, probably the largest third party production site in the world of hats.
Having said this, let's move on to the processing of hats for third parties. The Italian hat industry was the largest in the world for pieces produced and for the number of hats exported. A good part of these were sold to companies or wholesellers who branded the product according to the needs of the local or regional market, very often with invented brands and dicture in the original sales languages.
Keep in mind that the war on world markets between Italian producers was total and without any mercy. So everything was done to sell.
Your pretty homburg is one of the examples (my opinion), as are other hats that are often seen in certain threads and are branded with "exotic" names and brands. The Italian production branded by historical producers is a part of the hats produced, the rest were "disguised" in many countries, all over the world
Matt we are talking about millions of pieces produced annually at least until the end of the Sixties
There were a large amount of molds for linings in every Italian hat factory, maybe one day I will find them as happened to Steve who found a series of molds from Huckel, if I am not mistaken, for velour, a sector of niche, to be sold on the English market.

Ciao Daniele,
Thank you very much for your detailed and informative answer and
the insight into the economic world of hat production and branding:
Grazie mille!

What I can say in any case:
The quality of the materials used and the fur felt itself
is in no way comparable to the 50s Borsalinos I own.
Nevertheless, the whole ensemble is beautifully put together.

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Ciao Daniele,
Thank you very much for your detailed and informative answer and
the insight into the economic world of hat production and branding:
Grazie mille!

What I can say in any case:
The quality of the materials used and the fur felt itself
is in no way comparable to the 50s Borsalinos I own.
Nevertheless, the whole ensemble is beautifully put together.

Dear Matt, your "Scandinavian" homburg is a product certainly made for those who did not have the money to buy a Borsalino or equivalent, so it is evident to be of a lower class. As I wrote, the hat was made in Monza (personal opinion), the largest center of subcontractors in the world for the number of hats produced and exported. This applies to the Danfelt as well as to many hats marketed with strange names and even with famous brands. example some English. This was the reality when the hat industry had a continuous market.
With a little bit of good-natured controversy, I ask you why it is compared to a Borsalino from the 50s and not to one from the Sixties or Seventies, perhaps Borsalino in the years after the end of the war had a magical touch, never found again?

 

[steur]

New and also for Panos:
Wegener Cornett Homburg in dark blue with a dark blue (!) sweat.
A fantastic hat with great dimensions and nice felt - and like new.
I haven't seen the lining logo - also with blue - like this before either.
With stiched liner and the plastic liner tip I would say late 1950s.
Size 56 - crown 11,5 at the dent - brim at 5,5/6,0 (sides/front-back).
Sold in Mannheim: Zeumer-Hüte (liner, sweat and plastic protector).

Cool find, Matt. I found a similar one once, but that was a Wegener Colonel. At one point Cornett appeared as a completely separate brand.

 

[steur]

New and this one really for me:
Grey Homburg from Scandinavia - from the manufacturer "Danfelt".
There have already been two hats of this brand here, but apparently
there is no thread on Scandinavian hats in general?
Relatively simple ingredients, but quite nicely made.
I think it's from the late 50s or even 60s - liner is already glued in.
Size is a full 58 - height crown 12.0 - width brim 6.0

Fantastic find and a gorgeous looking homburg. I have one Danfelt hat, which I don't think I have ever posted. Doubt if that one was made in Italy though, judging by the felt.

 

[steur]

Every now and then my passion for homburg or diplomatique returns, in this case, for a black one
View attachment 339432 I don't have many variations of this type of hat in black in my collection: too seen.
I kept the ones who cross the threshold of beauty for my taste.
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This Flechet tempted me and so here it is
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Flechet Foulard size 60 cm, even if I can't find the size indication, in fact it is a 59 perhaps because it has shrunk over time
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Unlined and built with a very light felt and a non-sewn sweatband looks like a homgurg for warm seasons.
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The construction details are good and the written indications qualify it as a quality product.
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Its paper label, handwritten and stamped, seems to carry it to the years between the two world wars as a date of construction.
View attachment 339439
These are the measures of the French classic: brim curved particularly on the sides 6 cm. crown low point 11 cm. and the ribbon is 5.5cm.
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A classic French black homburg with the charm of heyday of hats

It's important to keep a close eye on your passion for homburgs, Daniele! Nice find.

 

[Steve1857]

If anyone on the FL had another Danfelt, it would be you Stefan

Skodsborg is just down the road from me, between where I live and Copenhagen. I may use my sommer holiday to track this "maker" down

Fantastic find and a gorgeous looking homburg. I have one Danfelt hat, which I don't think I have ever posted. Doubt if that one was made in Italy though, judging by the felt.

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[steur]

If anyone on the FL had another Danfelt, it would be you Stefan

Skodsborg is just down the road from me, between where I live and Copenhagen. I may use my sommer holiday to track this "maker" down

I was intrigued by the heather felt back then and the fact that it was from Denmark. There is actually one on auction right now:

The auction doesn't list a size and the box is unlikely to be original to this hat. I'm thinking they may have been a hatmaker once, but later chose to outsource their hats.

 

[Mean Eyed Matt]

Fantastic find and a gorgeous looking homburg. I have one Danfelt hat, which I don't think I have ever posted. Doubt if that one was made in Italy though, judging by the felt.

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You showed it once before in the "Post new hats" thread.
That was the hat I referenced when I said in my post
that I've only found 1-2 Danfelt hats here so far:
The felt is really whacky - just great!

The other one you showed is also interesting:
The hat box made me think of a cardboard box for a top hat,
as they were often used in the 40s/50s.

 

[Mean Eyed Matt]

Skodsborg is just down the road from me, between where I live and Copenhagen. I may use my sommer holiday to track this "maker" down

Absolutely! See if there are any traces that point to what Stefan suspected:
perhaps an old manufacturer who sourced the hats from Monza at some point,
or if it's a pure "fantasy brand" - a marketing ploy by the Italian hat industry?

 

[Mean Eyed Matt]

Dear Matt, your "Scandinavian" homburg is a product certainly made for those who did not have the money to buy a Borsalino or equivalent, so it is evident to be of a lower class. As I wrote, the hat was made in Monza (personal opinion), the largest center of subcontractors in the world for the number of hats produced and exported. This applies to the Danfelt as well as to many hats marketed with strange names and even with famous brands. example some English. This was the reality when the hat industry had a continuous market.
With a little bit of good-natured controversy, I ask you why it is compared to a Borsalino from the 50s and not to one from the Sixties or Seventies, perhaps Borsalino in the years after the end of the war had a magical touch, never found again?

Thank you, Daniele, for your further comment on the hat.
Sorry, but my response to your good-natured controversy
is certainly not as mysterious or spectacular as you imagine:
I was comparing the Danfelt to a 50s Borsalino,
as the only Italian soft-fur felts I own are three 50s Borsalinos,
all very similar in felt and finish - so pure pragmatism...
The felt is rougher and "fuzzier" and the lining feels "cheaper".
But as you say: a hat for the smaller purse - but still beautiful!
The "Rival" homburg from Monza, which I showed here once before,
is a wool felt and therefore difficult to compare.

On the other hand, I think that might be a "summer version":
the sweat is also thinner, just like the felt itself.
And another addition that I hadn't noticed before:
There is a stamp on the inside of the sweat, maybe
from the leather supplier, or what do you think?
Maybe that could be another confirmation of your assumption of origin?

 

[Steve1857]

Matt, I can be the hatted hat detective

Absolutely! See if there are any traces that point to what Stefan suspected:
perhaps an old manufacturer who sourced the hats from Monza at some point,
or if it's a pure "fantasy brand" - a marketing ploy by the Italian hat industry?

 

[Steve1857]

Those inside sweat label stamps are often seen. Many of my hats have them. I don't think they mean anything other than to the manufacturer, but I too would be interested to hear if they can be deciphered.

Thank you, Daniele, for your further comment on the hat.
Sorry, but my response to your good-natured controversy
is certainly not as mysterious or spectacular as you imagine:
I was comparing the Danfelt to a 50s Borsalino,
as the only Italian soft-fur felts I own are three 50s Borsalinos,
all very similar in felt and finish - so pure pragmatism...
The felt is rougher and "fuzzier" and the lining feels "cheaper".
But as you say: a hat for the smaller purse - but still beautiful!
The "Rival" homburg from Monza, which I showed here once before,
is a wool felt and therefore difficult to compare.

On the other hand, I think that might be a "summer version":
the sweat is also thinner, just like the felt itself.
And another addition that I hadn't noticed before:
There is a stamp on the inside of the sweat, maybe
from the leather supplier, or what do you think?
Maybe that could be another confirmation of your assumption of origin?

 

[Mean Eyed Matt]

Matt, I can be the hatted hat detective

Great! But then I want to see photos of you with dearstalker and pipe