G.B.Borsalino Fu Lazzaro & C. <1936

[Rmccamey]

 

[Francesco1992]

Another great find, Francesco and a pleasure to see. Not much to add to what the others have said already, except that I think the ribbon might be a replacement. It seems unlikely to me that GB Borsalino would use petersham ribbon instead of proper grosgrain and the bow seems a little too simple for a company that aimed as high as they did.

Hello dear Stefan and thank you so much, as always, for your kind comment and answers who are always expected with impatience, as well as Daniele's answers.
In the past I had already thought about an old replacement of the ribbon but I did not gave so much importance to it; I was certain I had not seen another example of this kind of ribbon before, so I have been very interested in what you have told me, not knowing if this could have been another particular kind of fabric that was mounted by Borsalino on several hats of a particular production.
Now I completely agree with you because I can look at the hat with another more critical "eye".
Anyway, I think I will not make it replace even with an original ribbon because I think this belongs to the hat's difficult and troubled history through the decades of the 20th century. Therefore I think that, if the physical integrity and the main features of the hat are not compromised or too much altered by the successive modifications and the added elements remain "in the style", the hat can be worth being preserved as it's been found.
Thanks a lot to you and Daniele for having given me the certainty for a doubt I had from very much time! And many compliments for the material you have posted here, this is absolutely stunning and so useful for all us here!

 

[steur]

This one went for far more than I'm comfortable with, but just to save it for posterity, here it is. So not my hat (alas).
GB Borsalino fu Lazzaro bowler in grey. Size 57. Dang that is a fine bowler!

 

[steur]

Not a hat, but it deserves a place here too. A rare beast as I've never seen one before and very glad to have picked it up. Belonged to sellers' uncle. The hat was no longer there. Really nice condition for a cardboard box about a hundred years old.

 

[Steve1857]

Not a hat, but it deserves a place here too. A rare beast as I've never seen one before and very glad to have picked it up. Belonged to sellers' uncle. The hat was no longer there. Really nice condition for a cardboard box about a hundred years old.

What a super find, Stefan, and what wonderful vibrant colours. Congrats!

 

[steur]

What a super find, Stefan, and what wonderful vibrant colours. Congrats!

Thanks, Steve. Chuffed to bits!

 

[Blackflame]

Hi, y'all! My name is Brendan, and although I'm new here, I'm not new to hat collecting. I have been collecting and wearing vintage hats for at least a few years now. I haven't counted them recently, but I probably have somewhere over 20 different hats in my collection. Most of the hats I have are fedoras or trilby's. However, I do also have a few vintage flat caps and even a rogue Resistol cowboy hat floating around somewhere too. The brands of my hats vary from Stetson to Knox and even a Portis and a Cavanaugh. However, being that my favorite hat brand is Dobbs, most of the hats I own are from them.

Anyways, Though I could probably talk your ear off about vintage hats, that wasn't really supposed to be the main point of this post.

The reason why I decided to make this post is to maybe get a little more information on a hat that I just recently acquired through Depop.

The hat is a Borsalino, but I have never seen another hat quite like it anywhere else. The liner has the typical Borsalino logo on it. However, underneath that, it has the illustration of the two dogs tugging on the hat that was used by Borsalino fv Lazzaro.

The sweatband also has three things stamped into it. One is a logo that says "Manchester Hats, Marca Registrada" which is mirrored on both the left and right side. The other looks to be a makers mark of some kind and reads: "Almacen De Sombreros, G.B.C. , Marca Registrada".

I suspect that this might be a Borsalino fv Lazzaro. However, considering that I have never seen another hat quite like it, I am just not 100% sure. So I was hoping that maybe somebody here might be able to tell me a little bit more about this hat and possibly give me a better idea on it's age.

I've attached some pictures of it below. Anything that you could tell me about it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

 

[Steve1857]

Hi, y'all! My name is Brendan, and although I'm new here, I'm not new to hat collecting. I have been collecting and wearing vintage hats for at least a few years now. I haven't counted them recently, but I probably have somewhere over 20 different hats in my collection. Most of the hats I have are fedoras or trilby's. However, I do also have a few vintage flat caps and even a rogue Resistol cowboy hat floating around somewhere too. The brands of my hats vary from Stetson to Knox and even a Portis and a Cavanaugh. However, being that my favorite hat brand is Dobbs, most of the hats I own are from them.

Anyways, Though I could probably talk your ear off about vintage hats, that wasn't really supposed to be the main point of this post.

The reason why I decided to make this post is to maybe get a little more information on a hat that I just recently acquired through Depop.

The hat is a Borsalino, but I have never seen another hat quite like it anywhere else. The liner has the typical Borsalino logo on it. However, underneath that, it has the illustration of the two dogs tugging on the hat that was used by Borsalino fv Lazzaro.

The sweatband also has three things stamped into it. One is a logo that says "Manchester Hats, Marca Registrada" which is mirrored on both the left and right side. The other looks to be a makers mark of some kind and reads: "Almacen De Sombreros, G.B.C. , Marca Registrada".

I suspect that this might be a Borsalino fv Lazzaro. However, considering that I have never seen another hat quite like it, I am just not 100% sure. So I was hoping that maybe somebody here might be able to tell me a little bit more about this hat and possibly give me a better idea on it's age.

I've attached some pictures of it below. Anything that you could tell me about it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

It's not a fu Lazzaro. It would say so on the liner and sweatband.

It's much more modern than a fu Lazzaro era hat, too. The two tugging dogs are a poor imitation of the original hat liner logo.

I'm not even sure if it's a genuine Borsalino if it doesn't have the Borsalino logo on the sweat. Are there any labels under it?

 

[Blare]

It's not a fu Lazzaro. It would say so on the liner and sweatband.

It's much more modern than a fu Lazzaro era hat, too. The two tugging dogs are a poor imitation of the original hat liner logo.

I'm not even sure if it's a genuine Borsalino if it doesn't have the Borsalino logo on the sweat. Are there any labels under it?

I thought this one might be right up your alley, Steve With fu Lazaro and Manchester popping up together

Maybe something made under license For UK market?

 

[Blackflame]

It's not a fu Lazzaro. It would say so on the liner and sweatband.

It's much more modern than a fu Lazzaro era hat, too. The two tugging dogs are a poor imitation of the original hat liner logo.

I'm not even sure if it's a genuine Borsalino if it doesn't have the Borsalino logo on the sweat. Are there any labels under it?

I couldn't find one. I looked in the usual places but I didn't see any tags of any kind except for the size tag. I know that usually Borsalinos have thier size tags underneath the liner, but I didn't feel comfortable removing it as I didn't want to damage anything.

The felt that was used to make it is fairly thick, and the hat has a pretty good weight to it. So it definitely doesn't feel cheap, though I suppose anything is possible.


Do you think maybe the G.B.C. that's on the sweatband stands for "Guiseppe Borsalino Company" ? It wouldn't surprise me if it was more modern considering this is the only Borsalino like this that I have ever seen.

 

[Steve1857]

I thought this one might be right up your alley, Steve With fu Lazaro and Manchester popping up together

Maybe something made under license For UK market?

I don't think it's Manchester, England, Joe. I'm sure there were no English hatters making Borsalinos under license.

 

[Blackflame]

I don't think it's Manchester, England, Joe. I'm sure there were no English hatters making Borsalinos under license.

Well, I translated the writing on the front of the sweatband. Apparently "Almacen De Sombreros" is Spanish for hat shop. So do you think that maybe it could be something made for the Spanish market?

 

[Steve1857]

I couldn't find one. I looked in the usual places but I didn't see any tags of any kind except for the size tag. I know that usually Borsalinos have thier size tags underneath the liner, but I didn't feel comfortable removing it as I didn't want to damage anything.

The felt that was used to make it is fairly thick, and the hat has a pretty good weight to it. So it definitely doesn't feel cheap, though I suppose anything is possible.


Do you think maybe the G.B.C. that's on the sweatband stands for "Guiseppe Borsalino Company" ? It wouldn't surprise me if it was more modern considering this is the only Borsalino like this that I have ever seen.

I've never heard of Borsalino calling itself G.B.C.

Is the liner sewn or glued?

 

[Steve1857]

I couldn't find one. I looked in the usual places but I didn't see any tags of any kind except for the size tag. I know that usually Borsalinos have thier size tags underneath the liner, but I didn't feel comfortable removing it as I didn't want to damage anything.

The felt that was used to make it is fairly thick, and the hat has a pretty good weight to it. So it definitely doesn't feel cheap, though I suppose anything is possible.


Do you think maybe the G.B.C. that's on the sweatband stands for "Guiseppe Borsalino Company" ? It wouldn't surprise me if it was more modern considering this is the only Borsalino like this that I have ever seen.

Almacen de Sombreros G.B.C. is a hat shop in Ecuador. Established in 1960.

 

[ScottF]

The Borsalino Fu Lazzaro was one of my favorite hat brands. I only had one - a tiny little thing with super-soft felt like a Playboy, and a short flat brim. Probably the only hat I ever kept that didn't fit me, just to pull out and look at every now and then. I'm sure there are photos of it somewhere on this site - 2009 or so?

 

[Blackflame]

Almacen de Sombreros G.B.C. is a hat shop in Ecuador. Established in 1960.

Interesting, I didn't realize that was the name of the actual hat shop. I just figured that was one of the ways that Borsalino stamped thier sweatbands. I'll have to do more research into them later to see if I can find out more about them.

As for the liner, it appears to be sewen on with a few stitches on each side of the hat. Is that the way that Borsalino usually secures them onto the hat?

I only have one other Borsalino, however its a flat cap and not a fedora. So I am not totally familiar with thier manufacturing process.

Thanks For All Your Help!

 

[Steve1857]

Interesting, I didn't realize that was the name of the actual hat shop. I just figured that was one of the ways that Borsalino stamped thier sweatbands. I'll have to do more research into them later to see if I can find out more about them.

As for the liner, it appears to be sewen on with a few stitches on each side of the hat. Is that the way that Borsalino usually secures them onto the hat?

I only have one other Borsalino, however its a flat cap and not a fedora. So I am not totally familiar with thier manufacturing process.

Thanks For All Your Help!

You're welcome.

Check out the thread "The Borsalino Brotherhood" on the Lounge. You'll learn a lot.

 

[Blare]

Almacen de Sombreros G.B.C. is a hat shop in Ecuador. Established in 1960.

I did think the way the sweat was sewn reminded me of a hat that was posted some time back marked Borsalino but made somewhere in South America... was thinking Brazil… but Ecuador makes sense as well.

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Interesting, I didn't realize that was the name of the actual hat shop. I just figured that was one of the ways that Borsalino stamped thier sweatbands. I'll have to do more research into them later to see if I can find out more about them.

As for the liner, it appears to be sewen on with a few stitches on each side of the hat. Is that the way that Borsalino usually secures them onto the hat?

I only have one other Borsalino, however its a flat cap and not a fedora. So I am not totally familiar with thier manufacturing process.

Thanks For All Your Help!

It's a nice mix of marketing, but in the end it's an imitation like others that have appeared in the world of hats during the history of Borsalino.