The only point in getting one from Fivestar would be to have a wearable jacket (to keep or sell) for ~$50 more than a fitment jacket while also getting the data I need to get the jacket I'm really after.
Was not responding to you.Where did I attack you personally?
Sorry bud. You’ll figure it out on your own I’m sure.Was not responding to you.
I've been warned, as have we all. You can sleep soundly in that knowledge.Sorry bud. You’ll figure it out on your own I’m sure.
LOL. I sleep fine thanks. Go chase the dragon. You can tell me I was right on page 800. I also never personally attacked you to the best of my knowledge. But please, by all means, crack the code!I've been warned, as have we all. You can sleep soundly in that knowledge.
The CHL leather experiments were experiments. Experiments fail; that's why they're experiments. They felt around for the edges of the box, and found them. The criticisms were of the leather though, not the pattern. Too thick is too thick. Too stiff is too stiff. I've done a fair amount of leather work (non-garment, to be fair), and I know how thick leathers behave and go together. I understand exactly why they were not happy with those results. Maybe Fivestar could have stepped in and said the leather shouldn't be used in jackets, or modified patterns to work better with the thicker leather, but the Fivestar Machine doesn't do that.I think you’re putting too much weight in Tony and Canuck’s impressions of Five Star half belts. I respect them both but they had deluded themselves in those projects leading to things like the CHL leather. I think they would say so themselves.
And no, the ‘measurements wrong’ explanation is not it and never was. A workable pattern will work (even if it’s the wrong size) with measurements up or down. These did not ‘work’.
There are some pathways to a decent Five Star, one of which have already laid out and someone else just followed.
It’s not about “a modern take on the half belt”; it’s that most of the catalog consists of jackets they made based on photos people here sent them.
I’m sorry but from your last paragraph it seems you don’t understand how garment patterning works. I’m not a stitch counter or specific tannery fetishist; I criticize that regularly. A mall jacket, frankly, will probably have a better pattern.
I think retracted the criticism when it was pointed out that that's just how half belts are.
This is exactly my experience. I lied to myself about quality that is simply not there. People can post all the pics and descriptions and blah, blah, blah. I know. Been there! It’s a $100 jacket shipped at absolute best. Period, and end of story. And that’s being generous IMO. Frankly the used market will yield a better result result at sub $50I think you’re putting too much weight in Tony and Canuck’s impressions of Five Star half belts. I respect them both but they had deluded themselves
When you take delivery of something you've had custom made, got all excited about and waited (and paid) for, it's really hard to be impartial about the result. Takes a while for the reality to reveal itself.This is exactly my experience. I lied to myself about quality that is simply not there. People can post all the pics and descriptions and blah, blah, blah. I know. Been there! It’s a $100 jacket shipped at absolute best. Period, and end of story. And that’s being generous IMO. Frankly the used market will yield a better result result at sub $50
When you take delivery of something you've had custom made, got all excited about and waited (and paid) for, it's really hard to be impartial about the result. Takes a while for the reality to reveal itself.
It's a great thing about "used" pages like Aero's, because you can take a punt, no emotional investment, and return it if you don't like it. Or keep the bargain, top rate piece that you really do want if you do like it.
I get the appeal of Five* and the whole journey of ordering with them. It's a bit of a slot machine, which is fun! Cost effective? Depends what value means to you, I'd say.