Fedoras afield

[Hurricane Jack]

Had to reroute location for the camping trip due to severe weather.

Hope you are save & dry. High water everywhere around here.

 

[drmaxtejeda]

There was a Dominican Friar named Bartolomé de las Casas who in the 16th century condemned the atrocities committed by the colonizers against the indigenous peoples of The Americas while it was happening. Some judge him favorably today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartolomé_de_las_Casas


Peace,

@deadlyhandsome and @jonesy86:

Both Junípero Serra and Bartolomé de las casas have streets and schools named after them in Mexico today.

I once asked a Spaniard at my golf club what Spanish kids were taught about the conquest of the Americas.
He said that they were told that Spain came to "Spread the Gospel".
In reality, that was just another tool they used to murder, enslave, rob, rape, exploit, and subjugate native peoples for three hundred years.

I told him so, too. Sucking our blood for three centuries was a heavy price to pay for their "envagelization", I said.

Some time later a Spanish woman I knew asked where I thought my last name came from. Hmmmm. She said it was my own ancestors who did that. Hers had remained in Spain. Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm.
I hate people who answer emotional accusations rationally. [emoji2]

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[deadlyhandsome]

@deadlyhandsome and @jonesy86:

Both Junípero Serra and Bartolomé de las casas have streets and schools named after them in Mexico today.

I once asked a Spaniard at my golf club what Spanish kids were taught about the conquest of the Americas.
He said that they were told that Spain came to "Spread the Gospel".
In reality, that was just another tool they used to murder, enslave, rob, rape, exploit, and subjugate native peoples for three hundred years.

I told him so, too. Sucking our blood for three centuries was a heavy price to pay for their "envagelization", I said.

Some time later a Spanish woman I knew asked where I thought my last name came from. Hmmmm. She said it was my own ancestors who did that. Hers had remained in Spain. Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm.
I hate people who answer emotional accusations rationally. [emoji2]

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It happens to me every time I start to get self righteous; someone bursts my bubble with some inconvenient facts.

If we go back far enough, all cultures have blood on their hands. What we think of as indigenous peoples were themselves often conquerers who killed, raped, and committed genocide. My people are from the British isles which was repeatedly conquered and repeatedly did some conquering. This has been going on since before recorded history. If it happened 2,000 years ago we seem better able to dispassionately study cultures and peoples without making judgments. As we deal with more modern history, but still many generations removed, we often loose perspective; we judge their actions by our own standards and sensibilities and that isn’t just.

Slavery is wrong. That’s to me a moral imperative. However, most all peoples practiced it in the past and some continue today. It was seen as normal and accepted. I don’t condemn ancient cultures for not having the same understandings as modern people. Those in the transition periods don’t get the same understanding, but I think they should.

I have no doubt that the various nation states cynically used religion to achieve their base and greedy desires. I also believe that many of the missionaries and churchmen were motivated by the desire to save souls. Serra will continue to be a divisive person, and there’s no doubt that he could be brutal and even cruel. I just believe that we need to study history in context and make fewer judgements and avoid the temptation to either whitewash or to vilify.

I’m sticking to hats. Fur felt is much nicer to ponder.


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[drmaxtejeda]

It happens to me every time I start to get self righteous; someone bursts my bubble with some inconvenient facts.

If we go back far enough, all cultures have blood on their hands. What we think of as indigenous peoples were themselves often conquerers who killed, raped, and committed genocide. My people are from the British isles which repeatedly conquered and repeatedly did some conquering. This has been going on since before recorded history. If it happened 2,000 years ago we seem better able to dispassionately study cultures and peoples without making judgments. As we deal with more modern history, but still many generations removed, we often loose perspective; we judge their actions by our own standards and sensibilities and that isn’t just.

Slavery is wrong. That’s to me a moral imperative. However, most all peoples practiced it in the past and some continue today. It was seen as normal and accepted. I don’t condemn ancient cultures for not having the same understandings as modern people. Those in the transition periods don’t get the same understanding, but I think they should.

I have no doubt that the various nation states cynically used religion to achieve their base and greedy desires. I also believe that many of the missionaries and churchmen were motivated by the desire to save souls. Serra will continue to be a divisive person, and there’s no doubt that he could be brutal and even cruel. I just believe that we need to study history in context and make fewer judgements and avoid the temptation to either whitewash or to vilify.

I’m sticking to hats. Fur felt is much nicer to ponder.


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Sí. And even that generates some arguments.

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[manicsubmersion]

On top of Chimney Rock Mesa at Ghost Ranch, New Mexico

 

[jonesy86]

Sí. And even that generates some arguments.

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The last time I was in Chiapas I saw some folks still wearing these hats:

In the city named after him I spoke with some folks who believed that the teachings of Las Casas could be relevant today.


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[drmaxtejeda]

The last time I was in Chiapas I saw some folks still wearing these hats:

In the city named after him I spoke with some folks that believed that the teachings of Las Casas could be relevant today.


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I have never been to Chiapas. I will.

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[Fourman110]

Hope you are save & dry. High water everywhere around here.

Beautiful sunny 72 degree day, so we bugged out. Less than an hour from home and 90 % chance of thunderstorms at 5 am. Hate to be a fair weather camper but wet takes days to dry...

 

[Fourman110]

It happens to me every time I start to get self righteous; someone bursts my bubble with some inconvenient facts.

If we go back far enough, all cultures have blood on their hands. What we think of as indigenous peoples were themselves often conquerers who killed, raped, and committed genocide. My people are from the British isles which repeatedly conquered and repeatedly did some conquering. This has been going on since before recorded history. If it happened 2,000 years ago we seem better able to dispassionately study cultures and peoples without making judgments. As we deal with more modern history, but still many generations removed, we often loose perspective; we judge their actions by our own standards and sensibilities and that isn’t just.

Slavery is wrong. That’s to me a moral imperative. However, most all peoples practiced it in the past and some continue today. It was seen as normal and accepted. I don’t condemn ancient cultures for not having the same understandings as modern people. Those in the transition periods don’t get the same understanding, but I think they should.

I have no doubt that the various nation states cynically used religion to achieve their base and greedy desires. I also believe that many of the missionaries and churchmen were motivated by the desire to save souls. Serra will continue to be a divisive person, and there’s no doubt that he could be brutal and even cruel. I just believe that we need to study history in context and make fewer judgements and avoid the temptation to either whitewash or to vilify.

I’m sticking to hats. Fur felt is much nicer to ponder.


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I wish there was an option to have multiple likes.....

 

[Rmccamey]

Nice hat and a beautiful place to wear it!

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On top of Chimney Rock Mesa at Ghost Ranch, New Mexico

 

[jlee562]

Pardon the instagram screencap, but, you know us millennials

Picking up flowers from one of my growers who has a rooftop farm in Berkeley. VS Dualist

 

[Bamaboots]

you know us millennials

And here I thought you were just another of us old men hanging around here.

Jared, in another life I lived in a small town in TN where a friend of mine and his family were florists and had the only business in town. The business bought a plane and sent my bud to flight school so that he could pick up flowers in Nashville and other not too far away locations as they came in from the tropics and hothouses elsewhere. I made several late night flights with him and he taught me enough about the flower business to know I didn't want to be involved. Flying into Nashville and seeing the lights of town late at night in a single engine, 4 seater after sampling a pint bottle of G D white label on the flight was a great way to travel.

 

[jlee562]

And here I thought you were just another of us old men hanging around here.

Jared, in another life I lived in a small town in TN where a friend of mine and his family were florists and had the only business in town. The business bought a plane and sent my bud to flight school so that he could pick up flowers in Nashville and other not too far away locations as they came in from the tropics and hothouses elsewhere. I made several late night flights with him and he taught me enough about the flower business to know I didn't want to be involved. Flying into Nashville and seeing the lights of town late at night in a single engine, 4 seater after sampling a pint bottle of G D white label on the flight was a great way to travel.

It's a very interesting business, that's for sure! Luckily, we grow a lot here in California (although increasingly less after the legalization of a certain other plant). I've taken over the family business that my (paternal) grandfather established in 1946. There's a lot of work to be done and often times I'm the one whose picked up the flowers from the wholesaler, made the arrangement, and deliver it from beginning to end. But I do get the rewarding satisfaction of making something new almost every day...there's of course a lot of "paint by number" arranging going on, but that pays the bills.

My friend Joanna who runs the farm I was grabbing that stuff from has an even more hectic schedule, bouncing from the rooftop farm to two other plots of land that she grows on. Neither of us are likely to make millionaire status, but there are worse ways to make a living than spending all day around flowers!

 

[steur]

Well, I was in Budapest the last few days and I needed a trusty friend to cover my head, but not get in the way when I was taking pictures. Dobbs fifteen did it perfectly.

On top of St Stephens' Basilica. His right hand rests inside (I still have mine).

 

[Bushman]

Vacationing in the Redwoods last week, I saw a lot of interesting things!

 

[Hurricane Jack]

You look good but I can't say much for your date.

 

[Yamahana]

110* in the Southwest AZ desert..time for a Seriously Shady Sexy Sunbody..

.....in a STOTZ Dairy sugar beet afield

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[AbbaDatDeHat]

110* in the Southwest AZ desert..time for a Seriously Shady Sexy Sunbody..

.....in a STOTZ Dairy sugar beet afield

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UFO alert also!
Nice hat!
B

 

[Yamahana]

UFO alert also!
Nice hat!
B

I noticed that...I’m next to some dairy’s..caught a fly in mid flight!

 

[Woodtroll]

110* in the Southwest AZ desert..time for a Seriously Shady Sexy Sunbody..

.....in a STOTZ Dairy sugar beet afield

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My goodness! In that heat, better you than me. Nice shady hat. Just curious, what is the crop? Sugar beets?