carouselvic
I'll Lock Up
- Messages
- 4,985
- Location
- Kansas
Late 40’s would be my best from what I can see…
-
The Fedora Lounge is supported in part by commission earning affiliate links sitewide. Please support us by using them. You may learn more here.
Derby, Western, Fedora...a Venerable Legend, THE Stetson 3X...BEFORE 1970!!!!
- Thread starter M Hatman
- Start date
Headpatrolman
New in Town
- Messages
- 46
Just picked this Derby / Bowler up the other day. Hat is in fantastic shape. Rip in center of the liner. No size tag. The sweatband is of really good quality. I'm Looking to try to get a ballpark date for this hat. It really is spectacular.
carouselvic
I'll Lock Up
- Messages
- 4,985
- Location
- Kansas
Turn of the century…1900ish
Headpatrolman
New in Town
- Messages
- 46
I cannot believe the condition it's in for being over 100 years old. So glad I came across it and got it for a good price.
Just Daniel
One Too Many
- Messages
- 1,456
M Hatman
I'll Lock Up
- Messages
- 4,564
A later 50's 3X Fedora......when these began again in a dress weight felt (as part of the fedora line in the very early 50's) they were $15 fedoras and included a "Mode Edge" (a type of felted or "Cavanaugh Edge") and a wind-cord......medallion in the liner tip was a simple 3X roundel in gold.
Later in the 50's these features were reserved for the better Stetson fedoras like the "Twenty" series......with the 3X fedora (still at the $15 price point) dropping the "Mode Edge" for the "Selv-Edge" (a glued edge process) as well as dropping the wind-cord. They did however come up with the really nice detailed and colorful 3X roundel which is among my favorites.......
This one still retains a nice 2" dark brown sweat (which I at first thought was black, as it is so dark...and well photographs as black, but is in fact dark brown) and is a great clean example.....AND the felt is really quite nice!
Later in the 50's these features were reserved for the better Stetson fedoras like the "Twenty" series......with the 3X fedora (still at the $15 price point) dropping the "Mode Edge" for the "Selv-Edge" (a glued edge process) as well as dropping the wind-cord. They did however come up with the really nice detailed and colorful 3X roundel which is among my favorites.......
This one still retains a nice 2" dark brown sweat (which I at first thought was black, as it is so dark...and well photographs as black, but is in fact dark brown) and is a great clean example.....AND the felt is really quite nice!
Last edited:
- Messages
- 19,001
- Location
- Central California
Guessing mid-1950s on this 3X Open Road:
Just Daniel
One Too Many
- Messages
- 1,456
Well here we go…this hat got a little stranded at my brother‘s house for a long while and just recently reached me. I’d forgotten it completely.
Lot #5765 puts it on a later 20s spot, which matches the un-sewn sweat, reorder tags, size sticker, and 3X beaver with rectangle - notice there is no “rainbow” on the 3X icon, those appear to be earlier hats. Usually. $16.50 original price.
The last pic with the white paper next to the hat shows closer to the true color - a darker Golden brown.
As to quality of the velour / long hair, I have been brushing it a little (ok, brushing it a lot) since the first photos, and I have to say it holds a nice position against my 20s and 30s European long hairs. I would never, ever say or even imply that it is better, but this super soft Stetson 3X definitely maintains its respectability.
Lot #5765 puts it on a later 20s spot, which matches the un-sewn sweat, reorder tags, size sticker, and 3X beaver with rectangle - notice there is no “rainbow” on the 3X icon, those appear to be earlier hats. Usually. $16.50 original price.
The last pic with the white paper next to the hat shows closer to the true color - a darker Golden brown.
As to quality of the velour / long hair, I have been brushing it a little (ok, brushing it a lot) since the first photos, and I have to say it holds a nice position against my 20s and 30s European long hairs. I would never, ever say or even imply that it is better, but this super soft Stetson 3X definitely maintains its respectability.
- Messages
- 18,278
Stetson Amon Carter Shady Oak Farm in 3X. Amon Carter Sr. died in 1955. His son Amon Carter Jr. continued his father’s tradition of giving hats to dignitaries & special guests at the farm for a couple of yrs longer. Amon Carter Jr. died in 1982.
Last edited:
- Messages
- 18,278
Deleted!Nice hat Jack, but this thread is for the 3X STETSON....only.
Hence
Derby, Western, Fedora...a Venerable Legend, THE Stetson 3X...BEFORE 1970!!!!
Trying to promote the history of the STETSON hat, when they still were making them.
Just Daniel
One Too Many
- Messages
- 1,456
I think that’s early or mid-40s? Those little squiggly lines on the crest were mostly disappearing by the mid-to-late 40s.
M Hatman
I'll Lock Up
- Messages
- 4,564
Something different for the thread, 3 ladies riding derby's sometimes called cob hats (short derby's, popular in the mid to late 19th century by young men and women). These are from the mid 30's and were quite popular at the time (Ginger Rogers is shown in several movies in a riding suit and cob hat). Rather than being stiff, these are thin and SOFT!!! Simply wonderful felt.
Unusual (for women's hats) these have short textured leather sweats and are fully lined. Still often worn with a hat pin (sometimes a ribbon) to keep in place these were quite stylish and interesting colors (red with brown trim, light grey with black trim, and powder blue with dark grey ribbon and powder blue binding).
I have never seen another example and now I have three (from the same source). I DO have a picture of my grandmother wearing one of these style hats with her horse and in full equestrian garb of the time (1930's).
ENJOY!!!!
Unusual (for women's hats) these have short textured leather sweats and are fully lined. Still often worn with a hat pin (sometimes a ribbon) to keep in place these were quite stylish and interesting colors (red with brown trim, light grey with black trim, and powder blue with dark grey ribbon and powder blue binding).
I have never seen another example and now I have three (from the same source). I DO have a picture of my grandmother wearing one of these style hats with her horse and in full equestrian garb of the time (1930's).
ENJOY!!!!
Last edited:
Just Daniel
One Too Many
- Messages
- 1,456
Awesome little catch. How soft are they? Those are pretty special, especially the colors.
PS I think they are early 40s, do they have reorder tags?
PS I think they are early 40s, do they have reorder tags?
Something different for the thread, 3 ladies riding derby's sometimes called cob hats (short derby's, popular in the mid to late 19th century by young men and women). These are from the mid 30's and were quite popular at the time (Ginger Rogers is shown in several movies in a riding suit and cob hat). Rather than being stiff, these are thin and SOFT!!! Simply wonderful felt.
Unusual (for women's hats) these have short textured leather sweats and are fully lined. Still worn with a hat pin (sometimes a ribbon) to keep in place these were quite stylish and interesting colors (red with brown trim, light grey with black trim, and powder blue with dark grey ribbon and powder blue binding).
I have never seen another example and now I have three (from the same source). I DO have a picture of my grandmother wearing one of these style hats with her horse and in full equestrian garb of the time (1930's).
View attachment 467239
View attachment 467240 View attachment 467245 View attachment 467241 View attachment 467246 View attachment 467244 View attachment 467247
ENJOY!!!!
Rmccamey
I'll Lock Up
- Messages
- 5,935
- Location
- Central Texas
A rare find, indeed! A very nice group.
Something different for the thread, 3 ladies riding derby's sometimes called cob hats (short derby's, popular in the mid to late 19th century by young men and women). These are from the mid 30's and were quite popular at the time (Ginger Rogers is shown in several movies in a riding suit and cob hat). Rather than being stiff, these are thin and SOFT!!! Simply wonderful felt.
Unusual (for women's hats) these have short textured leather sweats and are fully lined. Still worn with a hat pin (sometimes a ribbon) to keep in place these were quite stylish and interesting colors (red with brown trim, light grey with black trim, and powder blue with dark grey ribbon and powder blue binding).
I have never seen another example and now I have three (from the same source). I DO have a picture of my grandmother wearing one of these style hats with her horse and in full equestrian garb of the time (1930's).
View attachment 467239
View attachment 467240 View attachment 467245 View attachment 467241 View attachment 467246 View attachment 467244 View attachment 467247
ENJOY!!!!
M Hatman
I'll Lock Up
- Messages
- 4,564
VERY SOFT......(as women's hats always were..... outside a western)...and YES the colors (other than the dove grey, which is seen in men's hats) are quite remarkable as are the linings. I like the linings as much as the hats.
Could be VERY early 40's....I am guessing mid to late 30's based on cob/derby style (which was modified greatly by the 40's, even by the horse set) and the textured sweats (which are not around much by the 40's).
It is hard to say with absolute certainty as we well know....I wish I could find an ad to two for them......The felt is really special. Reminds me of the often advertised "crusher" hats many companies offered (including Stetson).
Last edited:
M Hatman
I'll Lock Up
- Messages
- 4,564
Thanks Randy!!
- Messages
- 18,278
In the style Kim Darby wore in the original True Grit.Something different for the thread, 3 ladies riding derby's sometimes called cob hats (short derby's, popular in the mid to late 19th century by young men and women). These are from the mid 30's and were quite popular at the time (Ginger Rogers is shown in several movies in a riding suit and cob hat). Rather than being stiff, these are thin and SOFT!!! Simply wonderful felt.
Unusual (for women's hats) these have short textured leather sweats and are fully lined. Still worn with a hat pin (sometimes a ribbon) to keep in place these were quite stylish and interesting colors (red with brown trim, light grey with black trim, and powder blue with dark grey ribbon and powder blue binding).
I have never seen another example and now I have three (from the same source). I DO have a picture of my grandmother wearing one of these style hats with her horse and in full equestrian garb of the time (1930's).
View attachment 467239
View attachment 467240 View attachment 467245 View attachment 467241 View attachment 467246 View attachment 467244 View attachment 467247
ENJOY!!!!
Featured products
-
John Lofgren Monkey Boots Shinki Horsebuttt - $1,136 The classic monkey boot silhouette in an incredibly rich Shinki russet horse leather. -
Grant Stone Diesel Boot Dark Olive Chromexcel - $395 Goodyear welted, Horween Chromexcel, classic good looks. -
Schott 568 Vandals Jacket - $1,250 The classic Perfecto motorcycle jacket, in a very special limited-edition Schott double rider style.
M Hatman
I'll Lock Up
- Messages
- 4,564
Very unusual addition.....that liner was not really seen on westerns outside an OR (true westerns used the "Last Drop" liner).....and that sweat with the "Selv-Edge" markings indicates a glued proccess welt edge (found on fedoras), which this hat does not have. Even the blocking tag is unusual. I wonder if it was a rebuild or cleaning job with mixed components. Nice find!
