Wow.

[Jovan]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/08/nmoore108.xml

“I used to watch Doctor Who and Star Trek, but they went PC - making women commanders, that kind of thing. I stopped watching,” Sir Patrick said.

I think he forgets that the original Star Trek had women as commanders as well, albeit as aliens so NBC would accept it. And what exactly is wrong with having women in control? Should we go back to the "good old days" where men were men and women had no say? Come on...

 

[Technonut]

Should we go back to the "good old days" where men were men and women had no say?

Hmmmmmmm......







Just kidding ladies.... lol

 

[Feraud]

“The trouble is that the BBC now is run by women and it shows: soap operas, cooking, quizzes, kitchen-sink plays. You wouldn’t have had that in the golden days.”

A great quote!
Isn't that exactly what kind of programming they had on early television? lol

 

[Baron Kurtz]

Patrick Moore is great. And clearly also an idiot, stuck in his misty, bleary-eyed, arse-over-elbow conception of "how things used to be". Maybe the poor old guy is going a bit loopy?

TV has been terrible for as long as i've known it (the past 30 years) and i'm sure it's been terrible for as long as anyone here has known it.

The fact to face (i think it's a fact, anyway) is that most "entertainment" - movies, TV, plays, books, music, comedy - is absolute, complete and utter, unadulterated bilge-water. Not fit for lining the kitty-litter tray. And always has been. It's worthwhile because of the few - the very few - good things that come from each medium.

bk

 

[plain old dave]

Gunsmoke.

Dragnet.

Emergency!

Adam-12.

And for comedy:

The Beverly Hillbillies.

The Andy Griffith Show.

There ya go.

 

[Rooster]

Should we go back to the "good old days" where men were men and women had no say?

A certain amount of that would go along way to curing some of this country's social ills.
Also, you are obviously not married. Women ALWAYS have a say.

 

[warbird]

Gunsmoke.

Dragnet.

Emergency!

Adam-12.

And for comedy:

The Beverly Hillbillies.

The Andy Griffith Show.

There ya go.

I take it you like Jack Webb?

 

[Jovan]

A certain amount of that would go along way to curing some of this country's social ills.
Also, you are obviously not married. Women ALWAYS have a say.

I can't say I agree. I sure hope I'm not married! I'm too young for that.

BK: I agree. People say that movies, TV, etc. have gotten worse over the decades, yet I see as many examples of bad entertainment from back then as I do now.

Just to clarify, I meant no offence towards peoples' love of past decades with my joke about "the good old days." Things like the attitudes toward women, minorities, and other sexual orientations are something I'm really glad we've progressed in. What disappoints me about Mr. Moore is he hasn't seen this, or doesn't want to. If his lover were still alive today, I think he'd be thinking a lot differently.

 

[Tango Yankee]

I think he forgets that the original Star Trek had women as commanders as well, albeit as aliens so NBC would accept it.

The first pilot had Majel Barrett playing "Number One," the first officer. She was demoted to nurse because NBC couldn't deal with a woman as second in command, much less as ship captain. But, as you note, The Great Bird of the Galaxy found ways around a lot of taboos.

Cheers,
Tom

 

[RedPop4]

Wow, indeed. Stirring it up on a Friday afternoon.

 

[Tomasso]

Also, you are obviously not married. Women ALWAYS have a say.

So true. In fact, my mother and both my grandmothers had their spouses wrapped around their little fingers. [huh]

 

[warbird]

Wow, indeed. Stirring it up on a Friday afternoon.

Yup, he likes doing that.

 

[Jovan]

The first pilot had Majel Barrett playing "Number One," the first officer. She was demoted to nurse because NBC couldn't deal with a woman as second in command, much less as ship captain. But, as you note, The Great Bird of the Galaxy found ways around a lot of taboos.

Cheers,
Tom

I've still yet to see that. What's unfortunate is I see no plans to remaster it, only the others. :-/ Unless they said "all 80" episodes.

 

[Tango Yankee]

I've still yet to see that. What's unfortunate is I see no plans to remaster it, only the others. :-/ Unless they said "all 80" episodes.

If you've ever seen the two-part episode "The Menagerie" you've seen a lot of the first pilot as it was incorporated into the plot. I was fortunate enough to see the first pilot at a science fiction convention in LA in the late '70s.

 

[StanleyVanBuren]

I've seen the first pilot. I forget how, but I've seen it.

 

[Jovan]

If you've ever seen the two-part episode "The Menagerie" you've seen a lot of the first pilot as it was incorporated into the plot. I was fortunate enough to see the first pilot at a science fiction convention in LA in the late '70s.

I haven't. By the time I found out what station and what time the remastered episodes aired (I swear it was like pulling teeth...), it was too late to see some of the all time greats they syndicated last fall.

Needless to say, I will be reserving the remastered first season on DVD, with or without "The Cage" being on it. (Though I really hope it is eventually, since it was on the original third season set.)

 

[happyfilmluvguy]

For a long time woman on the screen were portayed as weak or dependable. But then women started to get angry and protested and they ought to have been angry.

 

[Jovan]

And apparently that has made Patrick here angry.

 

[MrBern]

The first pilot had Majel Barrett playing "Number One," the first officer. She was demoted to nurse because NBC couldn't deal with a woman as second in command, much less as ship captain. But, as you note, The Great Bird of the Galaxy found ways around a lot of taboos.

Cheers,
Tom

Not even a demotion. More of a disquise. She went from Brunette to Blonde hoping the Execs (who told Roddenberry to get rid of her) wouldnt realize she was back.

INCIDENTALLY, The old producers are generally rather humbled that she appeared in TheNextGen as Troi's mom. Its one of those situations where they looked at her current performance & realized they didnt give her anything interesting to do back in the `60s.

And lets hear it for all the racial diversity. Not just amongst the leads, but constantly in `60s Trek, you see asians, latinos & afra-americans as intelligent & beautiful people.
Frankly, I would love to see ClassicStyle magazine depict that kind of diversity in its photos.

 

[Jovan]

Well, he probably meant figuratively given that they're two different characters. (And any Trekkie knows that. )