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Diamondback said:Bad yolk! Rotten egg!lol
Made sense to me. Damned hippies. :rage:
Diamondback said:Bad yolk! Rotten egg!lol
Marc Chevalier said:They aren't! So no one is loyal to anyone. For the most part, today's employees (rightfully) don't feel any sense of loyalty to corporations, beyond the effort that can win them the most money and benefits. Most of today's corporations (rightfully) don't have any sense of loyalty to employees, beyond the effort that can extract the most work out of the worker. And this is 'as it should be.' Individualism following its logical course.
I have no sympathy for most companies that complain about their workers' "disloyalty."
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Marc Chevalier said:Yeah, my family learned it the hard way. Valuable lesson, though.
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John in Covina said:There is a difference certainly between say a family run business and a corporation that is publicly traded. What takes place supposedly in the name of the stockholder can be truly shameful. But it is like a voracious machine for which the bottom line is the only thing when it comes to stockholders.
reetpleat said:Part of the problem there is when corps started offering stock options as part of management packages, especially ceos. Since then, the ceo is less concerned with the long term well being of a company, which best serves the invoestors, and more concerned about a sharp rise in stock, followed by cashing them in nad moving on to the next company. OF course often the investors nad board also want to see that stock go up, not worried about the long term.
John in Covina said:**********
Upward mobility tends to be a matter of education. Most of the computer geeks that are making swell bucks today in a variety of corporations got college degrees in computer science from all sort of state colleges and are doing pretty good in spite of being from typically poor families. Education is often the key element that allows for rise in position in most coporate fields. Lack of education tends to keep the position low unless one personally goes out on their own to make their own company.
If one chooses the wrong job and expects it to support a family, it is not the job's fault or the company's fault. An employee always has to make his or her own needs their own consideration. Never expect a company to keep your well being first, that is your responsibility. When cars came on the scene and the buggy whip manufacturers were failing, it was the time as a worker to consider changing fields and maybe getting training or education to better ones self.
To remain in a field that is designed to be a stepping stone to other things is ones own limiting influence.
Senator Jack said:Yes, at the expense of the workers. Who the hell should care about them?
jamespowers said:Lincsong said:Not everyone was in that situation--not that we ever wanted a cabin---although I still have the property that is useless now due to local government action. :rage: I think the main thing to remember is that you are specifying a significantly older population than we are talking about. Those people were the WWII generation and not hippies. They could actually budget money and earn a living without all the frills if they had to. They were also fairly well established. After living in the same house for 20 years there was significant equity built up an the payments were what $100 a month? :eusa_doh:
Housing was also laughably cheap in the 1950s around here. You could literally plunk down ten grand and buy a house. By the 70s houses had quadrupled in price and property tax was killing the property owners---thus the reason for the only single thing good that came out of the 1970s---Proposition 13. :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap
Regards,
J
It's not actually a matter of budgeting money, it's how to use the money to one's advantage and making it grow so that he is comfortable going out and buying a cabin or expensive furniture. It takes a lot of confidence in one's financial ability to go out and make those decisions. Some people feel that once savings are are spent the account will never be replenished. People today who had bought their homes 20 or 30 years ago are going out and doing the same thing as what was being done in 1975 by people who bought 20 and 30 years prior to that year. Then on the flip side of course we have some people who recently purchased (past 5-6 years) their house and went into an array of exotica mortgages and are now wondering how their going to refinance their house and keep up the $700 a month lease on the Yukon Denali.:eusa_doh: Dingbats will always be with us.
jamespowers said:Let's see, if they have stock options then they have equity involved but in either case, the workers should care about themselves.
jamespowers said:Gee, how about that? Investors want to make money. The nerve. :eusa_doh:
reetpleat said:While certainly wishing ill upon no on one, when push comes to shove and certain people find themselves up against a brick wall with a bunch of workers on the other end of some guns, they better not come crying to me.
I am sure the czar and King Louis had very much the same attitude.
reetpleat said:Gee, how do those investors feel when their stock tanks because a few high ups manipulated the company for a quick uptick at the expens of long term stability and then sold off, often before your average stock holder knew what was going on, and before the employees who have stock options that they are not allowed to sell yet get a chance to sell, thus watching their stock tank.
Besides that, so a few investors make a lot of money, and a bunch of employees end up on the dole, unable to buy anything or add to the economy in any way. And this is good for our country how?
J. M. Stovall said:Back on topic.
My favorite TV show from the 70's was M*A*S*H. Never missed it, couldn't tape it. It was a show about the 50's without all the Hot Rods, greasers and do wop. It was definitely a high point for that decade. You can't hate this too can you?
I guess I did miss some posts in the middle. Sorry to make you have to type extra today.jamespowers said:Obviously you didn't read the previous posts about how the show was a bastardized version of the book and how it was not at all like the real experience. Veterans of the Korean War like my father hated the show. I dislike it because of the cast and the fantasy of it all. Alan Alda? Harry Morgan? Jamie Farr?! Yep, plenty of things to hate there. :eusa_doh:
Regards,
J