True. I was referring to the design and construction. It looks like they tried to copy a 5* lol.
Yeah that was an accidental quote, haha.
Honestly I prefer Mysteryo’s 5* copy of his Buco.
True. I was referring to the design and construction. It looks like they tried to copy a 5* lol.
Cars, food, fashion…i’ll choose Italian every time vs English.
I don’t even know where to begin. I am sorry but 99.9% of the world will agree with me. Italians are on top in regards to fashion, style and constructing a garment.
I don't know Pinnacle. Of the other two, it depends on what you want to do with it. CXL is robust and like a rain jacket. I like it, at least my steer, which is not the heaviest jacket. My Vicenza is a little more comfortable to wear, but it's not ideal in the rain.
I think Vicenza is a bit more suitable for everyday wear for city dwellers.
I have already worn my chestnut Badalassi in the rain (like all my jackets). It is not spared. But the water comes through more quickly than with CXL. CXL is almost a rain jacket, whereas the veg tanned leather is only water-repellent due to the top coat (I think)Have a chestnut Badalassi Windward - what about Badalassi wearing in rain??
You think Aeros CXL Steer is softer than CXL HH or about the same?
Jeez... I seem to be the devil's advocate guy on the leather side of the house. I swear I'm not like this on the hat side of the house, but damn you guys are really running down a product that sounds to me to be perfect for the area where it is produced.
If you've never been to Scotland, you have no idea how cold and damp it is almost all year round. Even in the summer. The CXL you guys are describing sounds like exactly what I would want in that environment.
So for me, the short answer to this thread seems to be, "Because I don't live in bloody Scotland."
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe the jacket is miserable in Scotland as well. But from what I've seen from @Feliksas, if you want a rugged jacket to wear all year round because you live in a cold, damp environment and spend a lot of time outdoors - then Aero is the right fit.
If that's not you, then you might want to look at other options.
But that doesn't make it a bad product.
With regards to the specific question / topic:
Similar to what others have mentioned I feel the main reasons are:
- Custom jacket didn't work out, can't return, have to sell. Perhaps customer didn't specify the right measurements. Maybe the measurements are right on paper but the pattern just didn't work out. So fit issues.
- Want's to try CXL / heavy leather for the first time. After some wearing realizes that it's just not for him/her. Sell.
- Too many jackets already, hard to place into rotation, especially if comfort is compromised. Has not returned in time. Sell.
- Catch and release situation (especially in relation to the mentioned huge supply) - the measurements could potentially work, but eventually don't. Sell.
My experience with Aero:
I wear one of 2 jackets 90% of the time : Vanson E or Aero Hooch Hauler.
I've had the Aero Hooch Hauler since 2023 Sep, so about one year. I've worn it a lot.
CXL:
Mine is made out of CXLFQHH. It's great. No regrets. Would take the same leather again without a doubt. I don't understand all the "cardboard" name calling and hate it gets from time to time. Yes the sprayed on stain/dye rubs off rather easily and the thin aniline top coat doesn't help with that either. Yes you need to be patient and break it in. But that's the compromise you accept if you want the undeniable and unrivaled (in my opinion) beauty of CXL. A great option was "thin" CXL that was available by accident for some time and was highly praised by Canuck Panda. Easier break-in, more give, more comfort, better drape, same beauty.
But I would like to try CXLSH just for comparison, so that would be my choice if I'd ever lock in another Aero order. Likely won't because of the several price increases since my purchase.
Maybe I'm clueless but I haven't noticed a strong stiffening of the leather either, even though I've worn it around freezing temperatures a lot.
Surely my Hooch Hauler would be a bit more comfortable and would have a bit more mobility if it was made out of a different (thinner / more stretchy) leather, but I happily wear 25oz denim daily (feel free to make fun) so I'm not bothered by a bit of restriction. Similar to the 25oz denim, the cut/pattern/size plays a much bigger role in comfort than the fabric (specially once broken in). As for the Aero pattern/cut..
Pattern/cut:
This is where Aero doesn't shine. According to countless comments I've seen on TFL and based on my own experience as well. The neck thing being the main culprit.
The way it fits fully zipped up is also rather silly, maybe they just assumed no one would wear it fully zipped up when designing the jacket/pattern?
Otherwise the Hooch Hauler fits lovely, but the mobility is rather mediocre. I'm sure it would be much better if the jacket had some proper shoulder gussets or bi-swing / action back. Or just more volume in the upper back. But it's a slim fitting, more dressy/fancy of the two jackets that I use, so the mobility is good enough. Better neck cut + move volume in the upper back and I'd be 100% happy with the fit/mobility.
The pattern/cut/mobility especially pales in comparison to the Vanson E, but let's be honest, it's very hard to compete with Vanson patterns, especially seen in dedicated riding jacket like the model E.
Hardware:
The silly and stubborn insistence on the #5 zippers, especially on CXL jackets... I know we have allies fighting a battle from the inside to convince the decision makers to allow giving customers an option for a beefier zip, but I think it's a loosing battle.
Customer support:
This is not specific to Aero, but I hate the fact that you can't get a clear set of stock measurements for a given model/size. They will vaguely give you some and will actually agree to do adjustments other than length. For example I've asked for extra width in the shoulders and extra taper in the waist and both were accommodated very nicely. My jacket was even remade without question because the first one had narrower shoulders than I requested, even though they never guaranteed the shoulder width that I wanted.
In terms of communication calling is great (and expensive in my case, lost 50eu that way...). In terms of emails you're lucky if you get Danny, not so lucky otherwise in my experience.
Overall the Hooch Hauler is a shorter, slimmer (upper body and upper arms) moleskin lined Aviator jacket with button cuffs. Works best in the 5c to 15c range, does not work very well with layering, but it's doable to some extent, feeling fine at 0c in certain weather conditions. My Vanson E is a longer, roomier (upper body and upper arms) quilted lined moto cross zip jacket with zip sleeves. Works best in the -10c to 10c range due to better layering options, zipped sleeves keeping wind out and being able to comfortably fully zip it up.
I hope you enjoy reading this as much as I enjoyed writing it!
Brown CXL in all it's glory for some visuals to relax after all the text
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Thanks MrProper - good to know but it will soften up extremely I think. My Jerky seal HH was in rain and after that it felt like gloves - very nice and super soft after that event. BRI have already worn my chestnut Badalassi in the rain (like all my jackets). It is not spared. But the water comes through more quickly than with CXL. CXL is almost a rain jacket, whereas the veg tanned leather is only water-repellent due to the top coat (I think)
Nope, that's the stock Hooch Hauler back, but thank you for the compliment, sure does add some uniqueness to the jacket. Notice the V shaped to of the half belt as well, the sunburst back does not have that.Nice back on the HH - custom order Sunburst back?
I was looking for a CHP in super heavy HH (aero or LW), but the Vanson Enfield came up and I wanted to see how it fits me and more importantly how heavy it is. If it’s less than 6lb I won’t keep it.
If you spend long enough here (and try enough heavy jackets as well) I suspect your views on this may evolve over time, mine certainly did. While there is something very reassuring about heavy leather, there are also real drawbacks when it comes to comfort and mobility. I started out wanting nothing but the heaviest leather jackets and I have gotten to a point where now my ideal jacket is probably more like three or four pounds.It’s my bug - my mind associate thickness and weight with… well masculinity?!
Or just call it my human stupidity
Thank you that’s sound advice for the Vanson Enfield!If you spend long enough here (and try enough heavy jackets as well) I suspect your views on this may evolve over time, mine certainly did. While there is something very reassuring about heavy leather, there are also real drawbacks when it comes to comfort and mobility. I started out wanting nothing but the heaviest leather jackets and I have gotten to a point where now my ideal jacket is probably more like three or four pounds.
When your Enfield arrives I would advise you to evaluate it on fit and condition before you even bring out the scale. Also, unless the leather is truly dry, I would avoid applying (or stuffing) it with conditioners or leather feeds.
Do I recall you have a super heavy and tough CHP? Can’t remember if it’s aero or LW. Well if you ever want to move it on - PM me!
Good memory Namo, it is a size 46 from LW. And ironically, that was the exact jacket I was thinking of when I typed my message to you above. That CHP is absolutely armor! I once were it out walking in a rain storm and after 45 minutes of steady rain my shirt was still dry underneath. I love that jacket and yet I rarely wear it anymore, it’s just too damn heavy.Actually no - your size is 46 - if I do bench presss 5 times a week in 10 years I could hit 44 but 46 is unreachable lol
Quote me a price if you really don’t want to keep it! I could just get it altered!Good memory Namo, it is a size 46 from LW. And ironically, that was the exact jacket I was thinking of when I typed my message to you above. That CHP is absolutely armor! I once were it out walking in a rain storm and after 45 minutes of steady rain my shirt was still dry underneath. I love that jacket and yet I rarely wear it anymore, it’s just too damn heavy.
Nope, that's the stock Hooch Hauler back, but thank you for the compliment, sure does add some uniqueness to the jacket. Notice the V shaped to of the half belt as well, the sunburst back does not have that.
That’s tempting but you never know when you might need some leather armor, I’m going to keep it.Quote me a price if you really don’t want to keep it! I could just get it altered!
That’s wise decision!! I always look at the ‘replace-ability’ of a jacket - which is why I didn’t think twice of selling my HWM - I could always, always easily buy another HWM in the future if I want to. But a custom 5oz weight LW HH jacket? No way I’m going to sell it if it fits me. It would be so expensive to replace it plus may not get the same thick HH.That’s tempting but you never know when you might need some leather armor, I’m going to keep it.
I shouldn't get involved here, but you are showing an italian man who is dressed well, as proof that Italians don't have style. It seems you are talking past each other. One person is talking about where the most fashionable people are from, and the other is talking about which indigenous style is preferable. All major fashion designers are Italian. There's no question that Italian culture has produced excellent design. You cited the fact that Italians use British materials. So? If Ducati uses steel from somewhere else, what does that have to do with their penchant for design?It's simply fact.
Look at the late Gianni Agnelli for instance. His style was essentially modelled on the Duke of Windsor, with some nods to British business practice.
A country flannel look, with a DB configuration much like that favoured by the DoW.
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Likewise nice heavy tweeds for cool weather.
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This is the stiff stuff, not the Shetlands that have become more popular recently. Also notice that he favours the most English three button jacket configuration.
His protege Luca di Monezemolo hews even more strongly to the English influence, favouring the City look of dark ties with polka dots.
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