What modern invention/innovation do you wish had *never* been developed?

[jamespowers]

Wow, talk of no good music coming out of certain decades, 60s 70s 80s and then suggesting these three great artists were anything less than great. I understand everyone has their personal preferences but I think many millions of knowledgeable music lovers and even music scholars and critics would beg to differ.

Yes and they would be WRONG!

 

[jamespowers]

Wow. I'm guessing your favorite band is the Los Angeles Philharmonic? lol

Better than those hippie nonsense bands I listed.

 

[jamespowers]

The 70s were an explosion of fantastic and inventive music, unlikely to be matched anytime soon. Hands down, it was the greatest decade in popular music. And it's not even close

A explosion alright. An explosion of garbage and sewage across the music scene.

 

[winterland1]

A explosion alright. An explosion of garbage and sewage across the music scene.

You must realize how preposterous what you're saying sounds applied to the overall output of music of the 70s. If you don't like that style of music is one thing but your statement is inaccurate as applied to the popular music scene. A fairly recognized list here. I would say most are in the 60's-70s and then some in 80s-90s and beyond. The list is not based on sales.
http://www.discogs.com/lists/500-Greatest-Albums-Rolling-Stone/140759

 

[jamespowers]

You must realize how preposterous what you're saying sounds applied to the overall output of music of the 70s. If you don't like that style of music is one thing but your statement is inaccurate as applied to the popular music scene. A fairly recognized list here. I would say most are in the 60's-70s and then some in 80s-90s and beyond. The list is not based on sales.
http://www.discogs.com/lists/500-Greatest-Albums-Rolling-Stone/140759

It all stunk. So what? If you like it fine but you do reaize you are on a Golden Era Forum? You aren't going to find many people here who are here for the hippie music from the 60s and 70s. lol lol

 

[jamespowers]

You must realize how preposterous what you're saying sounds applied to the overall output of music of the 70s. If you don't like that style of music is one thing but your statement is inaccurate as applied to the popular music scene. A fairly recognized list here. I would say most are in the 60's-70s and then some in 80s-90s and beyond. The list is not based on sales.
http://www.discogs.com/lists/500-Greatest-Albums-Rolling-Stone/140759

Oh and that list is garbage and irrelevant because records of sales volume and such were not kept before the 1960s. If they were then previous artists would have had far more sales records based on percentage of the population at the time of their releases.
We have been over this before though……..

 

[vitanola]

You must realize how preposterous what you're saying sounds applied to the overall output of music of the 70s. If you don't like that style of music is one thing but your statement is inaccurate as applied to the popular music scene. A fairly recognized list here. I would say most are in the 60's-70s and then some in 80s-90s and beyond. The list is not based on sales.
http://www.discogs.com/lists/500-Greatest-Albums-Rolling-Stone/140759

One word for that list: Dreckhaufen!

Popularity does not necessarily equate with lasting value. After all, the "Hut-Sut Song" sold more copies than Hawk's "Body and Soul".

Of course I hated that 1970's stuff back when it was new and I was young. In fact, some musicians that I ran with agreed, hence the concept of social "De-Evolution" which informed their own work, and that of others in the avant-garde music scene of the day. It is really interesting to note how many of the seminal musicians of the 'Seventies had a deep understanding of and appreciation for the great artists who preceded them.

I remember well the day when a fraternity brother of mine, a fellow who was a real music lover, insisted that I listen to his latest "Greatest record ever", an album by Steely Dan entitled "Pretzel Logic". He played a track called "East St. Louis Toodle-oo". After listening to the side in tis entirety I dragged him to my room and put Ellington's Vocalion waxing of the title on the Orthophonic Victrola. The recording was a half-century older, and he ruefully admitted, a darned sight better.

Oh and that list is garbage and irrelevant because records of sales volume and such were not kept before the 1960s. If they were then previous artists would have had far more sales records based on percentage of the population at the time of their releases.
We have been over this before though……..

Remember that the first record which was known to have sold a million copies was Alma Gluck's Victor Red Seal recording of "Carry Me Back to Old Virginny", a nice enough performance, but hardly a deathless or inspiring one. Likewise Selvin's Novelty Orchestra's 1919 waxing of "Dardanella". Great sales and musical values rarely seem to coincide.

 

[LizzieMaine]

Oh and that list is garbage and irrelevant because records of sales volume and such were not kept before the 1960s. If they were then previous artists would have had far more sales records based on percentage of the population at the time of their releases.
We have been over this before though……..

I think it's safe to say that Bing Crosby, from the thirties thru the fifties, was a more dominant media personality than any figure of the rock era, not excepting Elvis or the Beatles. He was inescapable in a way that's impossible for the fragmented modern audience to understand -- he was the world's top-selling recording artist, a dominant figure on radio, and a major movie star whose appeal cut across all age and socio-economic lines.

As far as record sales go, I'm willing to bet Billy Murray and Irving Kaufman, if all their recordings under all of their pseudonyms were tallied, outsold everybody in any generation.

 

[winterland1]

It all stunk. So what? If you like it fine but you do reaize you are on a Golden Era Forum? You aren't going to find many people here who are here for the hippie music from the 60s and 70s. lol lol

We are on the The Observation Bar forum and I didn't start the topic of more recent music. Seems to me there are many chiming on on liking the 60s-70s music. Didn't think this was a close minded forum. I listen to all eras and have great appreciation for golden era music.

 

[winterland1]

I think it's safe to say that Bing Crosby, from the thirties thru the fifties, was a more dominant media personality than any figure of the rock era, not excepting Elvis or the Beatles. He was inescapable in a way that's impossible for the fragmented modern audience to understand -- he was the world's top-selling recording artist, a dominant figure on radio, and a major movie star whose appeal cut across all age and socio-economic lines.


As far as record sales go, I'm willing to bet Billy Murray and Irving Kaufman, if all their recordings under all of their pseudonyms were tallied, outsold everybody in any generation.

The top 500 albums list was NOT based on sales. I pointed that out in my post. I do understand being popular does not mean good. I can look at the charts now to attest to that.
Some of you golden era music lovers must at least like The Beach Boys. I am trying to find some common ground here today. :eusa_doh:
Bing Crosby is one of my favorite male singing voices, so there.

 

[LizzieMaine]

Brother Powers will strenuously disagree, but I'll say that Lennon and McCartney wrote some good songs. I don't care for all their stuff, especially not the hippie-dippie stuff, but some of their individual songs show real craftsmanship. But Cole Porter, Jerome Kern, and Irving Berlin wrote more -- and better -- songs over a much longer period of time.

"Yesterday" may well be a very fine song. But "All The Things You Are" is a better song on just about every level -- and the tragedy is that the gigantic distended amoeba that is the Baby Boom Generation has so completely engulfed the world's consciousness that the latter is completely unknown to anyone under seventy unless they've among the few to have had any exposure to pre-rock music. An entire culture has been completely wiped out of the popular consciousness, and frankly, those of you who don't realize that have missed out on more than you can ever possibly understand.

 

[jamespowers]

I think it's safe to say that Bing Crosby, from the thirties thru the fifties, was a more dominant media personality than any figure of the rock era, not excepting Elvis or the Beatles. He was inescapable in a way that's impossible for the fragmented modern audience to understand -- he was the world's top-selling recording artist, a dominant figure on radio, and a major movie star whose appeal cut across all age and socio-economic lines.

As far as record sales go, I'm willing to bet Billy Murray and Irving Kaufman, if all their recordings under all of their pseudonyms were tallied, outsold everybody in any generation.

Exactly my point. Do you think Rolling Stone will ever admit that? :rofl:

 

[jamespowers]

Brother Powers will strenuously disagree, but I'll say that Lennon and McCartney wrote some good songs. I don't care for all their stuff, especially not the hippie-dippie stuff, but some of their individual songs show real craftsmanship. But Cole Porter, Jerome Kern, and Irving Berlin wrote more -- and better -- songs over a much longer period of time.

"Yesterday" may well be a very fine song. But "All The Things You Are" is a better song on just about every level -- and the tragedy is that the gigantic distended amoeba that is the Baby Boom Generation has so completely engulfed the world's consciousness that the latter is completely unknown to anyone under seventy unless they've among the few to have had any exposure to pre-rock music. An entire culture has been completely wiped out of the popular consciousness, and frankly, those of you who don't realize that have missed out on more than you can ever possibly understand.

The only Beatle I could stand for a few minutes was George Harrison---and not in his hippie stage. The best he has ever done:
http://youtu.be/XZGYYDvZnpg
And this was more to do with the animals and his dancing

 

[vitanola]

"Yesterday" may well be a very fine song. But "All The Things You Are" is a better song on just about every level -- and the tragedy is that the gigantic distended amoeba that is the Baby Boom Generation has so completely engulfed the world's consciousness that the latter is completely unknown to anyone under seventy unless they've among the few to have had any exposure to pre-rock music. An entire culture has been completely wiped out of the popular consciousness, and frankly, those of you who don't realize that have missed out on more than you can ever possibly understand.

So very well put, Miss Maine!

"An entire culture has been completely wiped out of the popular consciousness, and frankly, those of you who don't realize that have missed out on more than you can ever possibly understand."

The above should be forcibly seared into the consciousness of all who visit here. Perhaps the above accounts for the antipathy some of us hold towards Rock era music in general. it does for me, well, that an a particular dislike for electric guitar.

The whole trouble in this area as with politics, science, religion, and life in general lies in those who don't know what they don't know.

 

[Stearmen]

Good Lord... The Smiths, The Cure, J&MC, New Order, Nick Cave, Pixies, Wedding Present, The The, The Fall, Aztec Camera, Talulah Gosh, Primal Scream, Cocteau Twins...


I could go on at some length.

I rest my case!

 

[Stearmen]

Brother Powers will strenuously disagree, but I'll say that Lennon and McCartney wrote some good songs. I don't care for all their stuff, especially not the hippie-dippie stuff, but some of their individual songs show real craftsmanship. But Cole Porter, Jerome Kern, and Irving Berlin wrote more -- and better -- songs over a much longer period of time.

"Yesterday" may well be a very fine song. But "All The Things You Are" is a better song on just about every level -- and the tragedy is that the gigantic distended amoeba that is the Baby Boom Generation has so completely engulfed the world's consciousness that the latter is completely unknown to anyone under seventy unless they've among the few to have had any exposure to pre-rock music. An entire culture has been completely wiped out of the popular consciousness, and frankly, those of you who don't realize that have missed out on more than you can ever possibly understand.

In fairness, Lennon was gunned down, so he could not continue to write songs! McCartney, who I am no fan of, is still writing songs, and got some kind of recognition from the classical community for his last album. Of course Frank Sinatra has had hits in the 40s, 50s, 60s 70s 80s, 90s, and 00s! I don't know if he has had a hit in the Teens, but, they still aren't over, so who knows. Elvis, is one decade behind him, and the Beatles for obvious reasons are one behind Elvis, so not bad.

 

[Horace Debussy Jones]

I have to admit that there were a few great bands that started out in the 70s and continued into the 80s and beyond. Roxy Music, King Crimson, Rush, and Emerson, Lake , and Palmer to name a few. But for every great band it seems there were 3 wretched acts such as Aerosmith, Kiss, Led Zeppelin, etc.
Really every decade since the advent of recorded music has produced some great stuff as well as some truly horrid trash. Remember disco?? *yucky*

The 70s were an explosion of fantastic and inventive music, unlikely to be matched anytime soon. Hands down, it was the greatest decade in popular music. And it's not even close

 

[Zombie_61]

The 70s were an explosion of fantastic and inventive music, unlikely to be matched anytime soon. Hands down, it was the greatest decade in popular music...

...Really every decade since the advent of recorded music has produced some great stuff as well as some truly horrid trash. Remember disco?? *yucky*

Mr. Jones beat me to it. Music from the 70s had it's moments, but it was all downhill the moment disco arrived. uke:

The only Beatle I could stand for a few minutes was George Harrison---and not in his hippie stage. The best he has ever done:
http://youtu.be/XZGYYDvZnpg
And this was more to do with the animals and his dancing

You're delusional. Harrison was, for the most part, a brilliant musician and lyricist, but that song is nothing more than pop pablum.

 

[Dragon Soldier]

I lived thru the entire decades of the seventies and eighties and I don't recognize a single name on that list.

Some of them are rather "British" but certainly the likes of the Cure were global names. Horses for courses.

 

[Dragon Soldier]

The 70s were an explosion of fantastic and inventive music, unlikely to be matched anytime soon. Hands down, it was the greatest decade in popular music. And it's not even close

Are you in your '50s by any chance?