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Was he betting on his own team's games, or others?
And, if he did bet on his own team's, did he ever bet against it?

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Conventional wisdom seems to indicate yes on all counts. Tough to tell if he ever did anything to throw a game as player or manager, though. I've never seen anybody accuse him of not trying to win.

Every time I've had the occasion see him or speak to him, he's been gracious and cordial. Well, except when I got that first autograph. I was a snot-nose kid and he and the rest of the Reds were playing a charity basketball game. I had the moxie to walk up behind him when he was sitting on the bench during the game and ask for his autograph. He gave me a dirty look, but he signed.

OH, and so we don't get too far off track...

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I wonder if Gus Miller made that hat.
 

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Conventional wisdom seems to indicate yes on all counts. Tough to tell if he ever did anything to throw a game as player or manager, though. I've never seen anybody accuse him of not trying to win.

Every time I've had the occasion see him or speak to him, he's been gracious and cordial. Well, except when I got that first autograph. I was a snot-nose kid and he and the rest of the Reds were playing a charity basketball game. I had the moxie to walk up behind him when he was sitting on the bench during the game and ask for his autograph. He gave me a dirty look, but he signed.

OH, and so we don't get too far off track...

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I wonder if Gus Miller made that hat.
If it wasn't proven he bet against his own team, I don't think his sanctions should have been so harsh.

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Was he betting on his own team's games, or others?

Conventional wisdom seems to indicate yes on all counts.

If it wasn't proven he bet against his own team, I don't think his sanctions should have been so harsh.

He knew the rules. They're posted on every clubhouse wall.
Max the rule of a lifetime ban for gambling goes back to the throwing of the World Series. The books kept by Rose's bookie prove that he bet on baseball. It has never been released as far as I know, if those books prove he bet against his own teams as a manager. No one has accused him of throwing games but he certainly would have known the odds his teams faced. When this all came to light MLB Commissioner Giamatti gave him a lifetime ban in ~1989. This is not a court of law. There have been 3 Commissioners since Giamatti, any one of which would have likely lifted the ban if Rose had only come clean but he steadfastly maintains his position, ignoring the obvious. It's too late now; the dye has been cast.
 

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Max the rule of a lifetime ban for gambling goes back to the throwing of the World Series. The books kept by Rose's bookie prove that he bet on baseball. It has never been released as far as I know, if those books prove he bet against his own teams as a manager. No one has accused him of throwing games but he certainly would have known the odds his teams faced. When this all came to light MLB Commissioner Giamatti gave him a lifetime ban in ~1989. This is not a court of law. There have been 3 Commissioners since Giamatti, any one of which would have likely lifted the ban if Rose had only come clean but he steadfastly maintains his position, ignoring the obvious. It's too late now; the dye has been cast.
Thank you! When all that happened I found the whole thing so depressing I purposely didn't pay too much attention.
What a shame.
I still remember wondering why he didn't just ask a friend or relative to place the bets for him. Or did he?
Not to condone what he did, but, if he was going to break the rules, he could've been less stupid about it.

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Color - check
Shape and form - check
Wind trolley - askew - check!

Howzabout an interior shot?

Yes, I see now that the button is in a different place than before. I think the whole thing slid off when I turned the hat upside down a few days ago. I guess I put it back wrong, but I just fixed it. Thanks for noticing.

Anyway, here's the inside. It's had its sweatband replaced, but the liner and size tag look original.

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Great looking hat Scotty!
The rust ribbon contrast is exceptional.
Starting to notice that just might be your signature crease. It sure shows the felt.
Bowen

More and more of my hats are morphing into diamonds. I love the way the light plays off the peaks and valleys.

And yes, the ribbon color and contrasting edging, as well as the creamy light green pea color of the felt, all sucked me in like a Hoover on high.
 

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View attachment 156323 View attachment 156324 View attachment 156325 View attachment 156326 View attachment 156327 Greetings All:
Today...a new to me Borsalino Gorasgu “Silchi”. A very nice overwelt 2 3/4” brim that doesn’t mind where you put it. Actually neither does the rest of the hat.
Another Borsalino done right.
Be well. Bowen
Ps: as always thanks for all the kind words.
B

I don't usually look twice at longhairs, but that one pushes all the right buttons. Great proportions overall.
 

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Thank you! When all that happened I found the whole thing so depressing I purposely didn't pay too much attention.
What a shame.
I still remember wondering why he didn't just ask a friend or relative to place the bets for him. Or did he?
Not to condone what he did, but, if he was going to break the rules, he could've been less stupid about it.

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If I'm remembering correctly, he held out for years that he never bet on baseball. There was a lot of steam moving to get him into the baseball HOF in some fashion or another, until he finally admitted to betting on baseball, at which point he pretty much lost all credibility. The last I heard, he still says he never bet against the Reds. At this point though it's really hard to take his word for it.
 

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