Western, anyone?

[jonesy86]

Greetings All:
Was looking at some sweats to find one that had the same Outfitter as another thread and grabbed Ol’ Blood and Guts here. Interesting with this one is it’s the thinnest ribbon i’ve ever seen, it is way old having the foil type tag, i think, and the sweat band is one fine leather. I think the goldstamp logo might be unusual too. I’ll have to check.
Yes, i’m inside sitting on the couch, wearing a leather jacket and hat. Too darn cold for outside pics.
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Absolutely appropriate indoor wear! I wear some hats and leather jackets indoors when it is too hot outdoors. [emoji12]


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[Bamaboots]

Another day of rain with only two more to go. Cabin fever and lack of beer is forcing me out. Foul weather gear required. #1 Quality and wax calf, smooth side out boots.

 

[Hurricane Jack]

...lack of beer is forcing me out.

You need to learn from the preppers.

 

[Bamaboots]

You need to learn from the preppers.

I know, dammit. It's been rough. Rookie mistake on my part but more than 4-5 days straight rain this time of year is unusual around here, especially in the quantities slamming us.

 

[RJR]

I know, dammit. It's been rough. Rookie mistake on my part but more than 4-5 days straight rain this time of year is unusual around here, especially in the quantities slamming us.

I feel for you,Greg,but you ought to try keeping supplies when having this kind of fun every 3/4 days .

 

[drmaxtejeda]

I am relisting this from the eBay thread, because I'd like ti find out more about this hat:

I bought this one on suspicion.
It was pointed out to me by Brent, and at first I wasn't interested, because I had never heard of the brand, and because I thought it wasn't a One Hundred, only a 100% beaver. Then I saw the marking on the sweat that says "Bandera One Hundred", and thought it might qualify as a true One Hundred.

I know, it looks modern, and I don't think it was sold for $100 in the fifties or even sixties, but I figured if I didn't buy it, and then found out it did qualify for my 100 collection, I would be kicking myself later, because I doubt I will ever find one again.

It wasn't that expensive, it has a nice color, it is my size, the sweatband looks supple, it is pretty rare, I think Ignacio can clean it, I am starting to like Westerns, and it might qualify for my 100 collection, so I got it before I lost it.
Thank you, @deadlyhandsome!

What do our Western hat experts think of this hat?

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[Hurricane Jack]

I am relosting this from the eBay thread, because I'd like ti find out more about this hat:

I bought this one on suspicion.
It was pointed out to me by Brent, and at first I wasn't interested, because I had never heard of the brand, and because I thought it wasn't a One Hundred, only a 100% beaver. Then I saw the marking on the sweat that says "Bandera One Hundred", and thought it might qualify as a true One Hundred.

I know, it looks modern, and I don't think it was sold for $100 in the fifties or even sixties, but I figured if I didn't buy it, and then found out it did qualify for my 100 collection, I would be kicking myself later, because I doubt I will ever find one again.

It wasn't that expensive, it has a nice color, it is my size, the sweatband looks supple, it is pretty rare, I think Ignacio can clean it, I am starting to like Westerns, and it might qualify for my 100 collection, so I got it before I lost it.
Thank you, @deadlyhandsome!

What do our Western hat experts think of this hat?

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Not an expert. Bandera was in business in Fort Worth starting sometime in the 1950's for ~20 yrs. I don't know what happened but the name is now under the ownership of Hatco. Maybe they were bought for their factory capacity? Perhaps someone in Dallas - Fort Worth knows more.

From the pictures I would say your hat is from ~1970. It appears to have the black imitation vinyl-like leather sweat with the stitch channel & stenciling instead of embossing, common to the era. By the late 1960's Stetson was using this kind of sweat in some of their hats.

Is the liner spot glued or sewn in?

The 100 may refer to being 100% Beaver but I don't believe this quality of hat sold for $100.00 even during the inflationary period of the 1970's. In short the quality or brand was not above & beyond a level to sell for $100.00. What do you see that would set it at such a price level?

 

[drmaxtejeda]

Not an expert. Bandera was in business in Fort Worth starting sometime in the 1950's for ~20 yrs. I don't know what happened but the name is now under the ownership of Hatco. Maybe they were bought for their factory capacity? Perhaps someone in Dallas - Fort Worth knows more.

From the pictures I would say your hat is from ~1970. It appears to have the black imitation vinyl-like leather sweat with the stitch channel & stenciling instead of embossing, common to the era. By the late 1960's Stetson was using this kind of sweat in some of their hats.

Is the liner spot glued or sewn in?

The 100 may refer to being 100% Beaver but I don't believe this quality of hat sold for $100.00 even during the inflationary period of the 1970's. In short the quality or brand was not above & beyond a level to sell for $100.00. What do you see that would set it at such a price level?

Hey, if you're not an expert, who is?
Nothing, really, but as I said, it was not expensive, I like it anyway, and I had never seen one before, so I bought it.
I will take more pics when I actually have it. That will take a while.
Thank you, HJ!

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[Hurricane Jack]

Bandera disappeared around the time styles changed to shorter crowns with mule kicks, which was definitely early 1970's.

 

[drmaxtejeda]

Bandera disappeared around the time styles changed to shorter crowns with mule kicks, which was definitely early 1970's.

Well, you know an awful lot of stuff for "not an expert" [emoji2]

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[Joao Encarnado]

Nothing, really, but as I said, it was not expensive

Not expensive now since it's a dead brand and most people search for Stetsons and Resistols.
Probably was expensive when it was new.

 

[M Hatman]

Bandera disappeared around the time styles changed to shorter crowns with mule kicks, which was definitely early 1970's.

"Mule Kicks" were around since at least the early 50's coupled with the "cattleman" crease and were in firmly in evidence with shorter crowns on straw hats by 1957.
By 1964 the shorter crowns were coupled with the "cattleman" and "mule kicks" in felts often with wide upturned brims, which really was distinctive of the 60's as a whole. Styles were becoming more conservative again in the 70's........
M
1954 Miller-Stockman

1957 Miller-Stockman

1964 Miller-Stockman

1967 Beckwith's (one of those fancy-smancy eastern firms)

Circa 1965 Stetson Catalog

 

[M Hatman]

Christmas 1964 Miller-Stockman....Resistol led the new crown parade!

 

[Bamaboots]

"Mule Kicks" were around since at least the early 50'

Since before then, Mark. Cowboys were shaping their hats regionally and to their own preference long before catalogs started naming their creases in ads. They probably started by accident and someone said, "hey, i like that, whadda ya call it"?

Boot maker Jack Reed during WWII while he was working on a NM ranch.

 

[Bamaboots]

#1 and water buffalo for the last of the rain, at least for three days they say.

 

[M Hatman]

Since before then, Mark. Cowboys were shaping their hats regionally and to their own preference long before catalogs started naming their creases in ads. They probably started by accident and someone said, "hey, i like that, whadda ya call it"?

Boot maker Jack Reed during WWII while he was working on a NM ranch.

So true......but nationally sold pre-creased hats (to which my post was reffering to) they run close to the timelines indicated in the catalogs.
Regionally and individually many features were present for a much longer time. I have seen sort of "mule kicks" in army hats dating as far back as the mid-nineteenth century. But, it was very much an "individual" thing.
Many hat creases introduced in the catalogs were copies of the bash a famous person (in the case of western, trainers, cowboys or rodeo stars) and oftened named after them. Stetson was rather famous at naming hats fairly early on with regional names (the "Dakota" for instance).
Hats are wonderful things.....where we can each wear the same model, but each also end up with very differant looking hats..
M

 

[Bamaboots]

Western dress 3x6 7X CB and Jesse "Jesse the Bootmaker" Bogle in full quill and calf.

 

[Desert dog]

Western dress 3x6 7X CB and Jesse "Jesse the Bootmaker" Bogle in full quill and calf.
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Man, that is a perfect hat! I like those dimensions, and in 7XCB, with just the right crease! Boots aren't too shabby either!

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[Bamaboots]

Man, that is a perfect hat! I like those dimensions, and in 7XCB, with just the right crease! Boots aren't too shabby either!

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Thanks, Dd. For every day wear these have become my favorite dimensions. Something you, HJ and I agree on. Wish you and I weren't the same size.

 

[Hurricane Jack]

Earlier this afternoon, running late for a late lunch meeting.