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Nathaniel Finley

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You are right , not the place for this . I have studied this extensively and would differ with you but another time and place .

Agreed.

Here’s a shot of my new-to-me 3X Stetson just to put this back on track. On the wall is a portrait of my father, brother and me done when I was a boy.

Best regards to all,
Nathan

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It just boggles my mind when I read statements like this (from the article you posted):

“Most Americans believe the U. S. “Civil War” was over slavery. They have to an enormous degree been miseducated.”

Maybe, but when it comes to the act of Secession itself slavery was such a foundation of Southern life that my forefathers did not attempt to hide it in any way, shape or form - they simply resigned from the Union and stated “SLAVERY” as the reason. And all my life I’ve heard my fellow Southern sons and daughters looking for any other explanations except slavery.

Following is the link I originally posted of the Secessionist Ordinances of five Confederate states. I don’t need any other resources whatsoever to tell me why they seceded. At all. Historical analysis? Unnecessary. The reasons for seceding are as plainly laid out as the Declararion of Independence.

https://www.civilwar.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

My father is from Mississippi so I am most familiar with its Ordinance. Second paragragh highlights:

“Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world....There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union.”

Am I schooling anybody here? Probably not and I’m sure folks are gonna want to point out a hundred nuances and exceptions and various angles but to me the question is settled by these documents so far as Secession is concerned. Now why a common Southerner would actually go to war is a different story altogether.

That’s about all I want to say about this subject. The Civil War was too damn painful to spend any more of my day discussing. I’m going back to hats.

Best regards from Alabama.
I believe the President's original intentions were clearly laid out.

From President Lincoln's first inaugural speech, March 4, 1861:

"I have no purpose, directly or in-directly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so,"

War begins on April 12, 1861.

From Lincoln's first message to the US Congress, July 4th, 1861:

"My policy sought only to collect the revenue" (a 40 percent federal sales tax on imports to Southern States under the Morrill Tariff Act of 1861).

It would be two more yrs before the ugly issue of slavery would enter into the war.
 

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