Vintage versus modern ´quality´

[RJR]

+1 on the ignore list.

 

[Huertecilla]

GTDean-just for giggles, I googled perfection measured objectively and got the attached article. It appears there are infinite ways to determine what perfection is based on how you measure it (which will change with each person), much like many of the responses to this thread have already stated. It's like my torts professor said, if you change the facts, you change the outcome. Without know what the OP is really trying to look for in his measure of a perfect fur felt hat, we can never answer his questions. So, good on you for your challenge.

http://www.bushido-kai.net/articles/MeasuringOnesGoalofPerfection.pdf

Thanks for putting the thread right back on track.

Thís is exactly why I ask to define quality and the criteria, supported by facts the vintage is better than modern.

 

[Huertecilla]

My ignore list grows & grows...

The mind is like a parachute; works best when open.

 

[fedoracentric]

My ignore list grows & grows...

Exactamundo.

 

[dutchroo]

I dó ´associate´ with this population; when I get down to the village I will probably be drinking a cup of coffee with one or two pensioned Brit Panama hat wearers. Those guys themselves are great people and great fun too.
The crux is that their style is a shot in both feet of ány fashionable flair. The association with their ´stýle´, is the thing I want to avoid.

My apologies. It was not my intention to paint you in a negative light by implying you are prejudiced against "pensioned Brit Panama hat wearers." I agree with your correction, that you would like to avoid the association with their "style."

If you will overlook that gaffe, allow me to say that this only emphasizes my point: because of your mental association of a Panama hat with this image of the Brit pensioner, you don't value that style of hat regardless of its quality. Therefore, "objective" metrics of quality are meaningless to you.

 

[fedoracentric]

I am beginning to think this thread was written by Abbot and Costello in a paean to Who's On First.

 

[Huertecilla]

If you will overlook that gaffe, allow me to say that this only emphasizes my point: because of your mental association of a Panama hat with this image of the Brit pensioner, you don't value that style of hat regardless of its quality. Therefore, "objective" metrics of quality are meaningless to you.

It is not mé associating the Panama with the Brit pensioners. I don´t. It ís however part of the Brit pensioner ´uniform´ and there ís (over here) an association with that, as such it is not the ideal horse for every social course and for thís one a NoNo.

As I wrote I do value the straw hat. I wear straw hats for ´survival´ and will buy a better one this spring using part objective criteria part taste and preference, all against the perceived budget limit. Note that I write perceived because that is a matter of priority.

 

[Huertecilla]

I am beginning to think this thread was written by Abbot and Costello in a paean to Who's On First.

That is you freedom.

I has given mé several answers to the original question, concrete examples for criteria, pointers to perfectly clear visual explanations and to highly hat-educational threads/sites.
So thanks to all.

 

[Tomasso]

My ignore list grows & grows...

And in just 40 odd posts. I wonder how many posts it took for me to make your list.

 

[gtdean48]

And in just 40 odd posts. I wonder how many posts it took for me to make your list.

Haven't read all 13,000+ of your posts but I'm still seeing them, so...not there yet!

 

[The Wiser Hatter]

Would a handmade Milan straw work instead of a Panama.

 

[DougC]

Nice hat! Is that an Optimo or some other?

 

[Huertecilla]

It is just the wrong horse.

Would a handmade Milan straw work instead of a Panama.

Thanks for the suggestion but unfortunately the straw, unless perhaps the level that gets to appear like fine but superior linen, is a non runner.
The fact of life is that I am way past my sell-by-date and any straw hat will accentuate me being a ´pensioner´
Just counted my straw hats and I have seven. Six giveaways and one half decent one. Nót FL entry level but in ozzie model in Milan straw with cotton sweatband and sweat patch quite wearable for say shopping.
Looking forward to buying a wholly decent one.

Meanwhile I have two vintage Resistol Fedoras underway of which the light version will keep me covered for a while, whilst I learn a bit more about quality and my musts/wants.
No doubt the visit to the Cordoban hatter will add to my perspective too evn though the type of hat is not part of my scene.

 

[T Jones]

Would a handmade Milan straw work instead of a Panama.

I like the ribbon and bow work on that one.

 

[Huertecilla]

Btw, just on a side note for the sake of orientation; is ´Panama´ the hat equivalent of ´Rolex Sub´ on watch fora?

 

[Banky]

Panama denotes straw from the tequilla palm woven in Ecuador. It's proprietary to the region it's from, much like champagne.

 

[viclip]

Btw, just on a side note for the sake of orientation; is ´Panama´ the hat equivalent of ´Rolex Sub´ on watch fora?

Which version of the Rolex "Submariner" wristwatch are you referring to?
I like the one worn by Sean Connery in "Dr. No" (or was it the awesome Ursula Andress in her bikini exiting the water that made this particular James Bond movie so memorable?)

 

[Tomasso]

I think that the fear of being mistaken for a member of a certain group by wearing just one component of their ensemble is an acute overreaction. Particularly when that component has been worn by a myriad of people worldwide for over a century. My neighborhood is awash with rappers ( Fiddy, Diddy, et al.) but it doesn't stop me from wearing a ball cap.

 

[Huertecilla]

Which version of the Rolex "Submariner" wristwatch are you referring to?
I like the one worn by Sean Connery in "Dr. No" (or was it the awesome Ursula Andress in her bikini exiting the water that made this particular James Bond movie so memorable?)

The source of the Bond Rolex hype is the 6538A.
I am wearing a véry good homage at the moment as the original was discontinued well over half a century ago and had become unobtanium for mere mortals.

When he wears this watch on his wrist, on his head he has

It is the Sandown model from Lock & Co. Hatters on St James’s Street in London.

My remark was about it being the answer/solution to all on watch fora; the snake oil of watches. Is ´Panama´ the equivalent Pun intended.

 

[Huertecilla]

I think that the fear of being mistaken for a member of a certain group by wearing just one component of their ensemble is an acute overreaction. Particularly when that component has been worn by a myriad of people worldwide for over a century. My neighborhood is awash with rappers ( Fiddy, Diddy, et al.) but it doesn't stop me from wearing a ball cap.

It is your freedom to think that.
It is stopping mé from wearing a Panama when going out.