Unpopular music opinions

[LizzieMaine]

For the artist to be a truly separate and superior being, he has to suppose this.

But what if the artist himself doesn't care about being a separate and superior being? What if the artist himself is simply satisfied to earn a living playing music or doing whatever it is that he enjoys? What if the whole "you must suffer for art for it to *be* art" hooey is the creation of a gaggle of self-important beard-strokers and frustrated non-acheivers who never outgrew being overdramatic fifteen-year-olds? What if it's not just the emperor who has no clothes, but also the academian?

 

[jamespowers]

But what if the artist himself doesn't care about being a separate and superior being? What if the artist himself is simply satisfied to earn a living playing music or doing whatever it is that he enjoys? What if the whole "you must suffer for art for it to *be* art" hooey is the creation of a gaggle of self-important beard-strokers and frustrated non-acheivers who never outgrew being overdramatic fifteen-year-olds? What if it's not just the emperor who has no clothes, but also the academian?

There are a lot of what ifs there that happen to be true for a good amount of the people involved in the arts.
If you can earn a living in it then that is proof enough that you are appreciated. Otherwise they are left behind stroking their beards and suffering.
Speaking of tortured, The Cure is one of those whiny groups that I just can't stand. If they are the cure for something then that disease must be pretty darned bad!

 

[martinsantos]

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Of course Adorno understood everything wrong. Too much Alba Berg in his ears, maybe?!

Once I readed, to justify the errors of Adorno, that he used to listen german jazz, and this would be bad jazz. I don't believe.

I think he was too much dedicated with marxism... The classical popular production (songwriter - arranger - player/singer) looked too much as a factory creating a car. And the final product would be that horrible thing: the record (Adorno just admited music in concert halls, not on radio or records).

And, of course, he was too much elitist. Music isn't for everybody - just for those who can understand Webern and Alba Berg. Even italian opera (Puccini, Bellini, Leoncavallo, etc) he didn't consider serious music - but "comercial", not artistry.

We can laugh of him, and loud, here. But usually, in Academies, his texts are very very considered - and those about popular music are among those most important.

Damn that Adorno and his stringent - maybe the word is astringent - modernism. Maybe he should've had fewer lessons with Schönberg and taken a few club date gigs instead (Sigurd Rascher did - didn't hurt him none).

The trouble with Adorno's idea of the Culture Industry is that it's too efficient of a closed system to exist in reality. It eats everything it touches and spits out perfect pablum. For the artist to be a truly separate and superior being, he has to suppose this.

Maybe he was just guilty of bad timing, writing in the great era of jazz's commingling and cross-fertilizing with pop music. A little earlier or later and he'd have been, well not right on the money, but somewhat closer to the state of things.

 

[Fletch]

We can laugh of him, and loud, here. But usually, in Academies, his texts are very very considered - and those about popular music are among those most important.

If that's true, it's because they fit in with greater social preoccupations. Commerce vs. culture is one - minority vs. majority another - individual vs group, heck, that takes in most of them right there.

I would guess musicologists have the most trouble with Adorno. But they're still pretty much a second banana discipline, and have to play on a playing field tilted toward more prestigious ones.

 

[Fletch]

But what if the artist himself doesn't care about being a separate and superior being? What if the artist himself is simply satisfied to earn a living playing music or doing whatever it is that he enjoys? What if the whole "you must suffer for art for it to *be* art" hooey is the creation of a gaggle of self-important beard-strokers and frustrated non-acheivers who never outgrew being overdramatic fifteen-year-olds? What if it's not just the emperor who has no clothes, but also the academian?

******, I really wish Artie Shaw were around to read you. I just know he'd have had a good answer - or at least a good comeback.

 

[Lincsong]

Wow, orange jump suits, just like Tavares! Seriously, when we'd go to a disco club or school dance, and that song came on, we had to get on the floor! Say what you want, but disco brought a lot of different people together (hey, in the video did you see the older guy in the fedora?), and it didn't have to rely on foul lyrics about gang warfare, dusting off cops, and treating women like objects.

I can't believe there's someone out there who remembers Tavares?

[video=youtube;2VAtRF4US8k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VAtRF4US8k[/video]

 

[Widebrim]

I can't believe there's someone out there who remembers Tavares?

[video=youtube;2VAtRF4US8k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VAtRF4US8k[/video]

Oh, I still love that song! I think the group was of Puerto Rican background, and that Tavares was the family name. And dig those hot-red suits!

 

[jamespowers]

I can't believe there's someone out there who remembers Tavares?

[video=youtube;2VAtRF4US8k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VAtRF4US8k[/video]

You owe me 45 seconds of my life back! Geez, that was horrible! I am glad I didn't remember them!:eusa_doh:

 

[jamespowers]

Oh, I still love that song!

Oh geez!:eusa_doh:

 

[Lincsong]

They're from New Bedford, MA and are Cape Verdean. I figured they were one of those disco bands that faded away into the recesses of obscurity or at least an Indian Casino in Oklahoma. It's amazing you still remember them.

 

[Widebrim]

What? No mention of Rod Stewart, Natalie Cole, or Celine Dion yet??

 

[Widebrim]

They're from Brasil. I figured they were one of those disco bands that faded away into the recesses of obscurity or at least an Indian Casino in Oklahoma. It's amazing you still remember them.

lol Or maybe at Pechanga Resort & Casino in Temecula, CA...Hey, after hitting loads of discos in Hollywood, Glendale, and the San Fernando Valley, you can't help but remember a bunch of disco groups! And the disco revival in the '90s was very big here...

 

[Lincsong]

[video=youtube;N6WwvBaJmGQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6WwvBaJmGQ&feature=related[/video]

 

[Lincsong]

What? No mention of Rod Stewart, Natalie Cole, or Celine Dion yet??

The girl who drags me to see Celine Dion has to be exceedingly gorgeous.

 

[Widebrim]

The girl who drags me to see Celine Dion has to be exceedingly gorgeous.

Good one! lol

 

[Widebrim]

[video=youtube;N6WwvBaJmGQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6WwvBaJmGQ&feature=related[/video]

Love it, too!

 

[Lincsong]

Here you go Widebrim, 35 years later with the same audience....

[video=youtube;hLXTcm00xhg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLXTcm00xhg&NR=1[/video]

 

[jamespowers]

What? No mention of Rod Stewart, Natalie Cole, or Celine Dion yet??

You just did.

 

[Widebrim]

^^Haven't aged too well (Tavares), have they? Yeah, with the same audience...lol

 

[MissMittens]

lol Richard Cheese is hilarious!

Wake up......Come on and put on a little makeup......

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