" The Great British Hat Makers "

[PanosChris]

Johnson & Co Hatters Top Hat. Crown height 15.5cm, brim 5cm.

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I believe this company must be the one Herbert Johnson claim to be the heir of.

When looking at the history of Herbert Johnson, it is mentioned that he was apprenticed to Lincoln Bennett in 1872, and started his own hattery in 1889.

However, their logo states, established in 1790, as is the date on the liner logo of this one:

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A fun address explanation - 111 Regent Street, one door from Vigo Street.

While trying to find information about Johnson & Co, I found this bill of sale on English Ebay, which I just had to buy:

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It is not the bill of sale to my Topper. However, it is interesting to see that in 1845 Johnson & Co were at 113 Regent Street at the corner of Viggo Street.

They also claim to be the inventor of and patent holder of the flexible velvet hat. I assume this to be an English version of the Gibus or Opera Hat.

The bill of sale is for such a patented velvet hat. £1 and 3 shillings sounds cheap, but was a whopping equivalent of over £150 back then.

While mine is not as old as 1845, I believe it to be pre 1900s, and quite possibly beaver felt.

Amazing find, Steve! Super research too

Does the underbrim feel like felt as well?

 

[Steve1857]

Amazing find, Steve! Super research too

Does the underbrim feel like felt as well?

Thanks, Panos.

The underbrim is definitely not felt. It has the ubiquitous underbrim material.

I'm doubtful as to whether or not the hat itself is beaver skin. What makes me believe it so is the feel of the material.

If it isn't beaver skin, it is definitely one of the best quality silk moleskin looking Top Hats I own.

Either way, I'm pleased to have found this possible "missing link" to the Herbert Johnson family hat tree.

 

[steur]

Johnson & Co Hatters Top Hat. Crown height 15.5cm, brim 5cm.

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I believe this company must be the one Herbert Johnson claim to be the heir of.

When looking at the history of Herbert Johnson, it is mentioned that he was apprenticed to Lincoln Bennett in 1872, and started his own hattery in 1889.

However, their logo states, established in 1790, as is the date on the liner logo of this one:

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A fun address explanation - 111 Regent Street, one door from Vigo Street.

While trying to find information about Johnson & Co, I found this bill of sale on English Ebay, which I just had to buy:

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It is not the bill of sale to my Topper. However, it is interesting to see that in 1845 Johnson & Co were at 113 Regent Street at the corner of Viggo Street.

They also claim to be the inventor of and patent holder of the flexible velvet hat. I assume this to be an English version of the Gibus or Opera Hat.

The bill of sale is for such a patented velvet hat. £1 and 3 shillings sounds cheap, but was a whopping equivalent of over £150 back then.

While mine is not as old as 1845, I believe it to be pre 1900s, and quite possibly beaver felt.

Fantastic find, Steve and a super piece of history connected with it.

 

[Steve1857]

Fantastic find, Steve and a super piece of history connected with it.

Thanks, Stefan.

I've never seen a Johnson & Co hat before and have often wondered why Herbert Johnson claimed to be established in 1790. This must be the answer.

Now, the next question to find the answer to is, what connection has Herbert Johnson to Johnson & Co? Grandfather, perhaps?

 

[steur]

Thanks, Stefan.

I've never seen a Johnson & Co hat before and have often wondered why Herbert Johnson claimed to be established in 1790. This must be the answer.

Now, the next question to find the answer to is, what connection has Herbert Johnson to Johnson & Co? Grandfather, perhaps?

You have some sleuthing to do!

 

[Crown Royal]

I posted this in the WHAYWT thread and I am reposting here upon request of @Steve1857. This is my Moores Homburg with side pinches and a tear drop crown, which I had mistakenly thought was a Lord's Hat. My trusted source says it's from the 1930's but I'm certainly no expert so please don't shoot the messenger. That said, please do let me know if you have more accurate dating information. If I can get a better photo of the paper label underneath the sweatband, I will update the post.

 

[Steve1857]

I posted this in the WHAYWT thread and I am reposting here upon request of @Steve1857. This is my Moores Homburg with side pinches and a tear drop crown, which I had mistakenly thought was a Lord's Hat. My trusted source says it's from the 1930's but I'm certainly no expert so please don't shoot the messenger. That said, please do let me know if you have more accurate dating information. If I can get a better photo of the paper label underneath the sweatband, I will update the post.
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Thanks for posting this one in this thread, CR.

J. Moores & Sons Ltd were one of the finest of the Manchester hatmakers with a long history dating back to the mid 1800s.

I have a 1920s Bowler of theirs with this liner:

Sweatband logo:

And paperlabel under the sweat:

I also have a 1930s Moores Bowler with this liner:

And material size tag:

I believe your Moores Homburg is from the late 1940s or early 50s. I'm basing this on it's overall shape and look, the fact that their is no liner, and what little I can see of the paper label.

Whether or not your Moores is from the 30s, 40s, or 50s, it's still a great find. Congrats on it. As a great admirer of the Manchester hatmakers (I have quite a few), it's definitely a hat I appreciate!

 

[steur]

Battersby first quality bowler. Size 56 (I think) with the brim at 5,5cm and the crown at 13cm. This hat has a had a tough life it seems and has been mucked about with. The brim binding is is not original as it is petersham ribbon and done poorly likely even glued (!). The sweatband is reeded on both sides with the reed sticking through in several places. It has been reattached at some time it seems. The liner has been glued in and could be a replacement. The hat weighs 164 grams and is probably thirties. It deserved better, but what can you do?

 

[Blare]

Battersby first quality bowler. Size 56 (I think) with the brim at 5,5cm and the crown at 13cm. This hat has a had a tough life it seems and has been mucked about with. The brim binding is is not original as it is petersham ribbon and done poorly likely even glued (!). The sweatband is reeded on both sides with the reed sticking through in several places. It has been reattached at some time it seems. The liner has been glued in and could be a replacement. The hat weighs 164 grams and is probably thirties. It deserved better, but what can you do?

i like that thin d'orsay curl.

 

[steur]

i like that thin d'orsay curl.

Thanks, Joe. The hat would certainly have looked great in its heyday.

 

[side]

I have just bought a Bardsley & Co. hat from London.
I will receive it early next week. I will post an update then.
Do you know anything about the brand?

 

[steur]

I have just bought a Bardsley & Co. hat from London.
I will receive it early next week. I will post an update then.
Do you know anything about the brand?

Welcome to the lounge. Nice looking hat. Bardsley is not a known manufacturer, so likely a retailer with the hats made by another company. That scalloped edge in the liner was something frequently done by T&W Lees of Stockport, but they were not the only one. Some nice hats to be found on Tradera it seems.

 

[side]

Welcome to the lounge. Nice looking hat. Bardsley is not a known manufacturer, so likely a retailer with the hats made by another company. That scalloped edge in the liner was something frequently done by T&W Lees of Stockport, but they were not the only one. Some nice hats to be found on Tradera it seems.

Yes, that would make sense, and yes, the scalloped edge looks very similar to T&W Lees. I'm sure I will be happy either way.

 

[side]

This one came in this week, but I still needed to take pictures of it. Battersby backbow fedora in green (new sage according to the label). Fairly low crowned hat at 9cm at the pinch, with the overwelt brim at 5,5cm. Size 7, so a bit roomy for me (not a storm-proof hat). The ribbon is what caught my eye. Very wide at 6,5cm (about 2 5/8 inches) and the widest ribbon I have on a hat. It was unlined, but I did have an unused battersby liner that needed a second life. I don't think this hat was designed for the pinch it now has, but I like the way this looks.

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Wow, very nice hat. I like Battersby, especially with the green band. I have to keep my eyes open and see if I can find one.

 

[Steve1857]

I have just bought a Bardsley & Co. hat from London.
I will receive it early next week. I will post an update then.
Do you know anything about the brand?

Nice find, and welcome to the FL.

I agree with Stefan, the scalloped edge liner points to T&W Lees. The liner logo definitely points to one of the Manchester hatmakers.

 

[Steve1857]

Wow, very nice hat. I like Battersby, especially with the green band. I have to keep my eyes open and see if I can find one.

You won't be disappointed with any vintage hat made by one of the many fine Manchester area hatmakers.

 

[steur]

Wow, very nice hat. I like Battersby, especially with the green band. I have to keep my eyes open and see if I can find one.

Thank you. Battersby hats can be found, but I've not seen another one of that particular one.

 

[TimmyV]

I was asked by Stefan to post pix of my newly acquired Lock and Company fedora. There are no other tags or labels behind the sweatband.

 

[steur]

I was asked by Stefan to post pix of my newly acquired Lock and Company fedora. There are no other tags or labels behind the sweatband.
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Thanks for posting it here, Timmy. It's a lovely hat with some reverse taper on it and a glorious wide ribbon. Looks like it's flanged as a camber-style hat.