The BORSALINO BROTHERHOOD

[Pellie]

Hello Pellie,
Thanks a lot, it definitely help. It’s a 6 1/2 so probably 60cm as the seller told me. Need to determine if it’s rabbit or wool but I do believe I won’t be able to know until I get it in my hands. The seller thinks it’s rabbit as well… I will do an offer a bit cheaper to see what he says. Thanks again!

6 1/2 indeed is size 60. You can assume the hat is at least rabbit. Good luck buying.

 

[Martvjp]

6 1/2 indeed is size 60. You can assume the hat is at least rabbit. Good luck buying.

Thanks a lot!

 

[steur]

Let me muddy the waters a bit about what I thought I knew about the borsalino labels or at least come up with a hypothesis. I found these two Borsalinos on sale through the same seller. I have not bought these yet, so they are not my hats. Here are the pics.
Hat one:

Great colour which we don't see often and the model name "Efebosan 38" is one we haven't seen before. But before we go on, let's look at hat two:

Now, what made me scratch my head for a bit is the fact that the numbers upper left are consecutive numbers. It's this number we associate with the model number and there is substantial data to back that up. While it can be a coincidence that two hats from the same retailer from the same time period happen to have consecutive model numbers, I somehow doubt it.
I have found hats from the same retailer (not this one) with consecutive numbers on the upper right, which I interpreted to mean that these numbers are some sort of ordernumbers.

Now here's the hypothesis. Borsalino made an awful lot of different models over the years and it could well be that some models were made especially for certain retailers. In fact they do that even today; I believe Delmonico sells some Borsalino models exclusively. If that is the case, it would explain that certain (exclusive) models for the same retailer have consecutive model numbers.
Cecosan is not a common model; aside from this one we've only seen one of those before (without a retailer name) and Efebosan 38 is the only one so far we've seen.
It could be time to offer a reward for the one who solves the Borsalino label mystery; it's worse than the Zodiac killer code!

 

[DonR]

A Lords hat Bosalino Goraita in Pineta color. 2 1/2" curled brim and 5 1/2" crown.

 

[steur]

A Lords hat Bosalino Goraita in Pineta color. 2 1/2" curled brim and 5 1/2" crown.

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Thanks for posting it here, Don. Gorgeous hat (even if it is green).

 

[DonR]

Thanks again Steffan. I think I have more green than I would prefer, but this is a great hat.

 

[Blare]

A Lords hat Bosalino Goraita in Pineta color. 2 1/2" curled brim and 5 1/2" crown.

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Love it!

 

[TimmyV]

Borsalino Feather Weight that I recently acquired. It came with this small box that is different than the "coffin box", but still quite unusual in my opinion.

 

[TimmyV]

Borsalino Columbo that I recently acquired. The felt is velvety and molds like clay.

 

[steur]

Borsalino Columbo that I recently acquired. The felt is velvety and molds like clay.
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Thanks for posting these here, Timmy. Can you make out the colour name and model on the label of the colombo one?

 

[BobHufford]

A post more in need of help than helpful.

Any guess as to a decade on this? Part of a hat lot won at auction a while back.

Missing the sweatband and any stickers.

 

[steur]

A post more in need of help than helpful.

Any guess as to a decade on this? Part of a hat lot won at auction a while back.

Missing the sweatband and any stickers.

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Cool find, Bob. looks like these liners with the Elios designation are only found on hats sold by Ferruccio Bruno. I've found two of them in my files, but only one with a label. That one was from the 1961-1972 period. Looking at the style of this hat, that seems about right.

 

[neuron]

Bob. looks like these liners with the Elios designation are only found on hats sold by Ferruccio Bruno

Thank you. Cleared up that question for me as well.

 

[BobHufford]

Cool find, Bob. looks like these liners with the Elios designation are only found on hats sold by Ferruccio Bruno. I've found two of them in my files, but only one with a label. That one was from the 1961-1972 period. Looking at the style of this hat, that seems about right.

Thanks for the info Stefan!

 

[TimmyV]

Thanks for posting these here, Timmy. Can you make out the colour name and model on the label of the colombo one?

Here's a close-up of the label with all the information that I can see. I hope this helps.

 

[steur]

Here's a close-up of the label with all the information that I can see. I hope this helps.
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Super! Thanks for that, Timmy.

 

[EmperorMidas]

Hello, everyone.
I'm new to the lounge (or to be more precise, I finally had something worth posting, so I made an account). I recently found two Borsalinos. Both seem to have come from the '61-'65 period, but the black one has an interesting detail on the label; it seems to have the model name on the lower right, which, in my understanding, is not usual for cerrated labels with straight edges. Anyway, here are the pictures.

 

[VoodooSan]

Hello, everyone.
I'm new to the lounge (or to be more precise, I finally had something worth posting, so I made an account). I recently found two Borsalinos. Both seem to have come from the '61-'65 period, but the black one has an interesting detail on the label; it seems to have the model name on the lower right, which, in my understanding, is not usual for cerrated labels with straight edges. Anyway, here are the pictures.

Welcome to the Lounge! You've certainly started off with a fine pair to show!

 

[steur]

Hello, everyone.
I'm new to the lounge (or to be more precise, I finally had something worth posting, so I made an account). I recently found two Borsalinos. Both seem to have come from the '61-'65 period, but the black one has an interesting detail on the label; it seems to have the model name on the lower right, which, in my understanding, is not usual for cerrated labels with straight edges. Anyway, here are the pictures.

Welcome to the lounge and to the brotherhood. Some nice sixties examples on show there. Indeed the model name on the black one is unusual, but not unheard of. Looking at the different letters it was done separately from the other information. We have seen examples where the model name was written on the label. The other one is also interesting, because it's the first time we've seen the colour "stelvio" on a hat. Hard to tell from the pictures what colour it is exactly.

 

[EmperorMidas]

Welcome to the lounge and to the brotherhood. Some nice sixties examples on show there. Indeed the model name on the black one is unusual, but not unheard of. Looking at the different letters it was done separately from the other information. We have seen examples where the model name was written on the label. The other one is also interesting, because it's the first time we've seen the colour "stelvio" on a hat. Hard to tell from the pictures what colour it is exactly.

Thanks for the welcome.
The colour is a bit hard to capture properly, especially as I don't have access to a proper camera. In shade, the hat appears to be a darker brown (something like burnt mahogany). When there is direct light, the colour becomes richer and more mellow, as there are some red and off-white strands of hairs in the finish, which -I guess- should come from a hare.