The BORSALINO BROTHERHOOD

[buler]

Lots a brim

Needs some more cleaning and the sweat reattached. Great brim stitching. 2 7/8" brim. 5 1/2" or more crown. Medium ribbon.

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[jimmy the lid]

Nice one, buler. Love the brim stitching. :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap


Dreispitz -- that Centurion is very nice. :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap

Cheers,
JtL

 

[ScottF]

Nice one, buler. Love the brim stitching. :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap


Dreispitz -- that Centurion is very nice. :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap

Cheers,
JtL

Yep - that's a great one.

 

[carouselvic]

Needs some more cleaning and the sweat reattached. Great brim stitching. 2 7/8" brim. 5 1/2" or more crown. Medium ribbon.

I don't believe I have ever seen that Borsalino sweatband marking before.

 

[BobC]

I fished this Borso from the bay a few weeks ago. It returned yesterday from a trip to Chicago for a clean and reblock and resize. It didn't clean up as nice as I hoped it would, but it'll make a good hat for weekend casual wear. The felt is Borso soft and thin, and the hat feels great to wear.

The felt looks tan in the pictures, but it's a taupish gray color with a light gray ribbon and binding. You can see the moth divit in the last picture. This is the first hat I've ever bought that had any moth damage at all, and that one bite is the only one on the hat. I'm thinking it kind of lends a bit of character to the lid.

 

[windwalker]

I did not see an intro thread, so I hope that this is acceptable. I submit for your approval and admittance into the Brotherhood. I know nothing of the hat other than it is a Borsolino and it is green, any info is greatly appreciated! This is my first quality hat, I picked it up at the Portland Antique show a few weeks back, for what I thought was a good price. I have been wearing a safari style for a number of years, as well as 2 outback styles, and various flat hats as well. The hat band is coming loose at the front and needs resewn, does anyone know of a repair shop in the Vancouver/Portland area? I do recognize a few names from some of the shaving and pen forums that I visit, so I know the company is good!

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[fluteplayer07]

Make your own intro thread for yourself. Welcome.

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[Aureliano]

My new Borsalino...

While on a day trip to Beacon, NY to visit the Dia museum, my wife and I took a stroll around town. We went inside a couple of antique shops as I was hopeful to find a hat. And a hat I found. I've been looking for an unlined hat to wear in spring and fall. I wanted a playboy but found this rather large 6 7/8Borsalino (I'm a 71/8 but it almost fit me perfectly.A few hours in the hat jack and some steam did the job of a comfortable fit) .

I have never seen one like this and I hope someone here can shed some light about its age and style. To me it somehow looks like an Alessandria because of the bound brim edge but the ribbon seems too thick for that style and it doesn't match the brim binding. Also it has a wind trolley that matches the color of the hat and not the ribbon. The felt is very thin, almost as thin as my Vagabond: one of those that the slightest touch will mess up the crease. No liner (yay!) but a tip sticker made of cloth. The tag says "Ontano" for the color and a google translation gave me "tree, wood" [huh] Take a look and your help is appreciated.

Open crown and a bit lumpy befor I did anything to it.

Tip sticker and size tag.

Corrugated front sweat.

Inside tag.

Ribbon. It doesn't look like grossgrain, any ideas? It is attached to the felt by outside, top and long stitches.

After brush, steam and flange.

 

[rippy444]

I just got my first Borsalino. Itace last week while I was in Florida. It is an Allessandria. i picked it up for $45.00. I love it. You men are on the run comared to this pup. Don't worry, I will catch on learning from the Masters. Thanks

lol lol lol :cool2: :cool2: :cool2:

 

[Aureliano]

Help please.

While on a day trip to Beacon, NY to visit the Dia museum, my wife and I took a stroll around town. We went inside a couple of antique shops as I was hopeful to find a hat. And a hat I found. I've been looking for an unlined hat to wear in spring and fall. I wanted a playboy but found this rather large 6 7/8Borsalino (I'm a 71/8 but it almost fit me perfectly.A few hours in the hat jack and some steam did the job of a comfortable fit) .

I have never seen one like this and I hope someone here can shed some light about its age and style. To me it somehow looks like an Alessandria because of the bound brim edge but the ribbon seems too thick for that style and it doesn't match the brim binding. Also it has a wind trolley that matches the color of the hat and not the ribbon. The felt is very thin, almost as thin as my Vagabond: one of those that the slightest touch will mess up the crease. No liner (yay!) but a tip sticker made of cloth. The tag says "Ontano" for the color and a google translation gave me "tree, wood" [huh] Take a look and your help is appreciated.

Open crown and a bit lumpy befor I did anything to it.

Tip sticker and size tag.

Corrugated front sweat.

Inside tag.

Ribbon. It doesn't look like grossgrain, any ideas? It is attached to the felt by outside, top and long stitches.

After brush, steam and flange.

 

[carouselvic]

To me it somehow looks like an Alessandria because of the bound brim edge but the ribbon seems too thick for that style and it doesn't match the brim binding.


Your ribbon is a replacement. You are right that it was originally of the Alessandria style. I also think the medallion was once part of a full liner.

 

[Aureliano]

Your ribbon is a replacement. You are right that it was originally of the Alessandria style. I also think the medallion was once part of a full liner.

Interesting. I also thought about the ribbon. You sound pretty certain in your assessment, how can you tell? I'd like to learn so I can better judge a hat.
To me, the ribbon looks and feels old. It has a couple of very worn spots in the back. Also the way it's attatched to the body. I have another Borsalino, qualita extra extra superiore that has the same outside top stitching. Could it have been replaced back in the day? I've never seen modern, or relatively, hats with this ribbon stitches. [huh]

 

[carouselvic]

I own several of the TA/Ludora model of hats, and have seen countless others, all where a thin ribbon with matching brim binding. When Borsalino made a hat with a ribbon color different than the hat, it would appear on the label(in between the hat color and hat model).

 

[Aureliano]

I own several of the TA/Ludora model of hats, and have seen countless others, all where a thin ribbon with matching brim binding. When Borsalino made a hat with a ribbon color different than the hat, it would appear on the label(in between the hat color and hat model).

Although I have no idea what TA/Ludora hats are or look like, I thank you for the info about ribbon color in the inside label. Did not know that one!:eusa_clap

Now, besides looking at it and comparing it with other ribbons, how could I tell if this is indeed old? Can the outside stitching be used as an indication?

What year would to say the hat is?

 

[carouselvic]

Your Borsalino was made when they still where being made to high standards. The top stich on a ribbon can be a clue as to the age of a hat, but that stitch was still being used as late as the 60's.

 

[Aureliano]

Your Borsalino was made when they still where being made to high standards. The top stich on a ribbon can be a clue as to the age of a hat, but that stitch was still being used as late as the 60's.

thanks, carouselvic. Was that corrugated thing under the front of the sweat also a 60s feature?

 

[ScottF]

Although I have no idea what TA/Ludora hats are or look like, I thank you for the info about ribbon color in the inside label. Did not know that one!:eusa_clap

Now, besides looking at it and comparing it with other ribbons, how could I tell if this is indeed old? Can the outside stitching be used as an indication?

What year would to say the hat is?

The ribbon still might be old - I've had a couple of very old hats that had very old replacement ribbons.

 

[ScottF]

Here's a grey Borso with sort of an odd brim binding - it also features a tag with the color in the middle, that Vic alluded to. The felt is in such flawless condition that I always unbash after wearing and it looks brand-new again:

 

[Aureliano]

Great hat! Interesting tag too, so detailed back then.
Do you think, Scott, that my hat is from the 60s?

 

[rlk]

The ribbon still might be old - I've had a couple of very old hats that had very old replacement ribbons.

Its definitely between 1951-1975. No Borsalino in script on left edge(transitioned during OPS period) and not later rounded corner sticker with date. Need more securely dated 60's hats to see if there are other definite changes.