The BORSALINO BROTHERHOOD

[ofcoursemyhorse]

It's the same Borsalino/Berteil he posted. It has a date stamp dating it to 1925.

 

[mayserwegener]

Excellent Berteil!
Any chance to see the tags inside?
Don’t get to see these often.
Thanks and super congrats on a special French hat!
Bowen
Ps: unless it is a Borsa/Berteil like Stefan posted.

It might have the celled paper label. It looks similar to my 1929 Echter Borsalinos.

http://germanaustrianhats.invisionz...c/50-borsalino-german-market/page-2#entry1153

 

[AbbaDatDeHat]

It's the same Borsalino/Berteil he posted. It has a date stamp dating it to 1925.

Ahh...i see. Thank you.
Thought there was another one in the house. Beautiful hat.
Bowen

 

[AbbaDatDeHat]

It might have the celled paper label. It looks similar to my 1929 Echter Borsalinos.

http://germanaustrianhats.invisionz...c/50-borsalino-german-market/page-2#entry1153

Thank you Steven.
B

 

[steur]

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Still an awesome hat. The colour of it is quite a bit different than the auction pictures showed though!

 

[steur]

It might have the celled paper label. It looks similar to my 1929 Echter Borsalinos.

http://germanaustrianhats.invisionz...c/50-borsalino-german-market/page-2#entry1153

It does: here's the auction picture of it. Cell format with written size.

 

[mayserwegener]

Stefan, Thanks! Here is the paper label from one of mine. The hat form, brim work and ribbon/bow are very similar.

Echter Borsalino date stamped 17.5.29 (May 17, 1929).

 

[AbbaDatDeHat]

Greetings All:
Interesting....another one posted on FB yesterday.
B

 

[steur]

Stefan, Thanks! Here is the paper label from one of mine. The hat form, brim work and ribbon/bow are very similar.

Echter Borsalino date stamped 17.5.29 (May 17, 1929).

Very similar hats indeed (and both wonderful). And it gives us more direction dating this type of label. Both have the cell layout and both have the size written and the rest either printed or stamped. So that type, with both of them dated, can be placed at least between 1925 to 1929. It would be safe to say that my Borsalino Stregone bowler also belong in this time frame.

The Borsalino lobbia Nebbia (below) has almost all of the information written on the label (also in the cell-layout), which would make it likely in my view that it is of an earlier date.

 

[Daniele Tanto]

It does: here's the auction picture of it. Cell format with written size.

Stefan, Thanks! Here is the paper label from one of mine. The hat form, brim work and ribbon/bow are very similar.

least between 1925 to 1929. It would be safe to say that my Borsalino Stregone bowler also belong in this time frame.

Mine is a contribution that can be a further note to identify the production dates of Borsalino through the paper labels, or be a small addition in the small sea of suppositions. Two Borsalino "Lobbia" sold in Sofia by Simon Zlateff before or during the Second World War. Different model and finish
Bismuto

Mirtillo

They are therefore Borsalino produced in the 30s and the difference with that of Steve and Stefan is evident in the form and in the writing. In the 20s different rubber or iron stamps were used and the graphics were different. Stefan's hand written (Lobbia - Nebbia) has probably been sold in Italy (one of my assumptions) because often the "Italian" Borsalino were less cared in the labeling of those prepared for export.
I have entered by comparison a "Diplomatique" built in France in the same period to see the difference in style and interior finishes. Here there is no lining, as was often used in many hats produced in the years since the beginning of the last century. No paper labels if not the size.
Antonin - France

Soon I will try in the Borsalino in my possession built before the war (few) to inspect the labels to contribute the solution or to the confusion.

 

[steur]

View attachment 156651 Greetings All:
Interesting....another one posted on FB yesterday.
B

It's the same one; it certainly got noticed. And there was me hoping it would fly under the radar...

 

[AbbaDatDeHat]

It's the same one; it certainly got noticed. And there was me hoping it would fly under the radar...

Heck man, i didn’t realize it was for sale or i’d have......err...been quiet.
Sowwy!
B

 

[mayserwegener]

Mine is a contribution that can be a further note to identify the production dates of Borsalino through the paper labels, or be a small addition in the small sea of suppositions. Two Borsalino "Lobbia" sold in Sofia by Simon Zlateff before or during the Second World War. Different model and finish
Bismuto

Mirtillo

They are therefore Borsalino produced in the 30s and the difference with that of Steve and Stefan is evident in the form and in the writing. In the 20s different rubber or iron stamps were used and the graphics were different. Stefan's hand written (Lobbia - Nebbia) has probably been sold in Italy (one of my assumptions) because often the "Italian" Borsalino were less cared in the labeling of those prepared for export.
I have entered by comparison a "Diplomatique" built in France in the same period to see the difference in style and interior finishes. Here there is no lining, as was often used in many hats produced in the years since the beginning of the last century. No paper labels if not the size.
Antonin - France

Soon I will try in the Borsalino in my possession built before the war (few) to inspect the labels to contribute the solution or to the confusion.

Daniele, Thank you for the additional information. I am pretty sure most of the separate size label Euro market Borsalinos are later 1930s or very early 1940s. I look forward to seeing your pre WWII Euro market Borsalino Hat labels.

 

[mayserwegener]

Very similar hats indeed (and both wonderful). And it gives us more direction dating this type of label. Both have the cell layout and both have the size written and the rest either printed or stamped. So that type, with both of them dated, can be placed at least between 1925 to 1929. It would be safe to say that my Borsalino Stregone bowler also belong in this time frame.
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The Borsalino lobbia Nebbia (below) has almost all of the information written on the label (also in the cell-layout), which would make it likely in my view that it is of an earlier date.

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Stefan, Thank you for the additional information. Sometime in the 1930s there was a switch from the Celled Paper Labels. Your "Nebbia" is a really fantastic looking hat. I think it could be earlier than the date stamped hats but I am not sure the additional hand writing points to that being the case. It would be interesting to put all the Celled Paper Labels + Hats together in one post. I know one of my examples has a slightly different cell alignment.

 

[mayserwegener]

View attachment 156651 Greetings All:
Interesting....another one posted on FB yesterday.
B

Bowen, Thanks! Yes that one is very similar to mine and OCMH. Also great that it is date stamped.

 

[drmaxtejeda]

Heck man, i didn’t realize it was for sale or i’d have......err...been quiet.
Sowwy!
B

If it had been in my size there would be no reason for Stefan to worry about someone sniping it.
It would be gone already.

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[M Hatman]

Mine is a contribution that can be a further note to identify the production dates of Borsalino through the paper labels, or be a small addition in the small sea of suppositions. Two Borsalino "Lobbia" sold in Sofia by Simon Zlateff before or during the Second World War. Different model and finish
Bismuto

Mirtillo

They are therefore Borsalino produced in the 30s and the difference with that of Steve and Stefan is evident in the form and in the writing. In the 20s different rubber or iron stamps were used and the graphics were different. Stefan's hand written (Lobbia - Nebbia) has probably been sold in Italy (one of my assumptions) because often the "Italian" Borsalino were less cared in the labeling of those prepared for export.
I have entered by comparison a "Diplomatique" built in France in the same period to see the difference in style and interior finishes. Here there is no lining, as was often used in many hats produced in the years since the beginning of the last century. No paper labels if not the size.
Antonin - France

Soon I will try in the Borsalino in my possession built before the war (few) to inspect the labels to contribute the solution or to the confusion.

These are all nice, but that grey with the grey sweat and grey tip logo is really extra special. Am I reading that right? Is that one a 6 1/2 punti?
M

 

[Daniele Tanto]

These are all nice, but that grey with the grey sweat and grey tip logo is really extra special. Am I reading that right? Is that one a 6 1/2 punti?

Both Borsalino are 6 1/2 and the Antonin, that weight half, is 60 cm.

 

[M Hatman]

Both Borsalino are 6 1/2 and the Antonin, that weight half, is 60 cm.

Nice.....harder to find those larger sizes that fit you and I.....and then such nice examples.....nice.
M

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Yes It is rare to find homburgs in that size. I was lucky enough to find a a good number of hats of that size