The BORSALINO BROTHERHOOD

[Richard Morgan]

May be, but the Vanzina are more "sophisticated" than this. This is more simple and the use of the tag glued on the sweatband it is not a Borsalino sign.
It is avery nice hat and with a interesting felt, but a mistery as many in the Borsalino production.


Richard I like very much the "Avorio" color not so easy to find here in Italy.
A very nice Borsalino

Thank you Daniele, I like it a lot also. I've been neglecting the Italian hats lately I need to focus more on them.

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Thank you Daniele, I like it a lot also. I've been neglecting the Italian hats lately I need to focus more on them.

There is always time for everything and if I can help, let me know

 

[mayserwegener]

Steve does not seem particularly old to me. Let's say he has accomplished, more or less, forty years. It can be a hat made in the phase of the disposal of the property by the Borsalino family. It can also be one of the many Borsalino under another name, with Stefan we have now cataloged many in this category. In any case, the hat looks like a "disguised" Borsalino. When you will be in Italy you can judge it

Daniele, Yes I will have to see it in person.

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Another summer purchase. The homburg is part of a bunch of pretty badly worn Borsalino.
It was a gamble and this is the only one in my size, the others are narrower or smaller and are in the skillful hands of Fleur hatter of Penumbra hats in Netherlands.

Lobbia Borsalino Qualità Extra Extra Superiore. Size is 6, so a 59 in EU or a 7 3/8 in US

Color is "Palladio" cinta (ribbon) Nero "Gulaela" Felt is soft and very malleable with a contrasting ribbon

It seems new except it was the food for the moths, above all on the under side brim

Fleur did a magnificient work on the little holes and nibbles made by moths

Outside the moths are more gentle

This "Lobbia" Borsalino or homburg or Diplomatique is the type with "wide" brim

The proportions are: brim at 6 cm. ribbon is 4 cm. and the crown is 11 cm.
More to come in the next days

 

[steur]

Another summer purchase. The homburg is part of a bunch of pretty badly worn Borsalino.
It was a gamble and this is the only one in my size, the others are narrower or smaller and are in the skillful hands of Fleur hatter of Penumbra hats in Netherlands.

Lobbia Borsalino Qualità Extra Extra Superiore. Size is 6, so a 59 in EU or a 7 3/8 in US

Color is "Palladio" cinta (ribbon) Nero "Gulaela" Felt is soft and very malleable with a contrasting ribbon

It seems new except it was the food for the moths, above all on the under side brim

Fleur did a magnificient work on the little holes and nibbles made by moths

Outside the moths are more gentle

This "Lobbia" Borsalino or homburg or Diplomatique is the type with "wide" brim

The proportions are: brim at 6 cm. ribbon is 4 cm. and the crown is 11 cm.
More to come in the next days

Gorgeous, Daniele. Palladio is a great colour. I have one in the same colour scheme, but not the same model or quality designation.

 

[Daniele Tanto]

A perfect member of the Borsalino patrol bought in Milan
The other component are the "Borsalino Mysterious" and a third is a beautiful "Mirtillo"

Qualità Extra Superiore size 6 1/2 French measurements, so a 60 in EU and a 7 1/2 in US

Very thin and malleable felt, in a medium brown color. NO paper label on this one.

The changhes in color are due to different days in which the pictures are shooted. It change very often

Proportions are: raw brim at 5.5 cm. ribbon is 5 cm. and the crown 11 cm. with matching ribbon

It is a very malleable hats, thin a light, with an "old" shape, very interesting for the first autumn

It came new from the historica factory of Borsalino in Alessandria

 

[RJR]

A perfect member of the Borsalino patrol bought in Milan
The other component are the "Borsalino Mysterious" and a third in a beautiful "Mirtillo"

Qualità Extra Superiore size 6 1/2 French measurements, so a 60 in EU and a 7 17" in US

Very thin and malleable felt, in a medium brown color. NO paper label on this one.

The changhes in color sre due to different days in which the pictures are shooted. It change very often

Proportions are: raw brim at 5.5 cm. ribbon is 5 cm. and the crown 11 cm. with matching ribbon

It is a very malleable hats, thin a light, with an "old" shape, very interesting for the first autumn

It came new from the historica factory of Borsalino in Alessandria

Nice.

 

[steur]

A perfect member of the Borsalino patrol bought in Milan
The other component are the "Borsalino Mysterious" and a third in a beautiful "Mirtillo"

Qualità Extra Superiore size 6 1/2 French measurements, so a 60 in EU and a 7 17" in US

Very thin and malleable felt, in a medium brown color. NO paper label on this one.

The changhes in color sre due to different days in which the pictures are shooted. It change very often

Proportions are: raw brim at 5.5 cm. ribbon is 5 cm. and the crown 11 cm. with matching ribbon

It is a very malleable hats, thin a light, with an "old" shape, very interesting for the first autumn

It came new from the historica factory of Borsalino in Alessandria

Like I said in the other thread too: this is a very beautiful hat. The model makes it look like it's older than it actually is. Great find.

 

[Steinbockhase]

A perfect member of the Borsalino patrol bought in Milan
The other component are the "Borsalino Mysterious" and a third in a beautiful "Mirtillo"

Qualità Extra Superiore size 6 1/2 French measurements, so a 60 in EU and a 7 17" in US

Very thin and malleable felt, in a medium brown color. NO paper label on this one.

The changhes in color sre due to different days in which the pictures are shooted. It change very often

Proportions are: raw brim at 5.5 cm. ribbon is 5 cm. and the crown 11 cm. with matching ribbon

It is a very malleable hats, thin a light, with an "old" shape, very interesting for the first autumn

It came new from the historica factory of Borsalino in Alessandria

Beautiful

 

[mayserwegener]

A perfect member of the Borsalino patrol bought in Milan
The other component are the "Borsalino Mysterious" and a third in a beautiful "Mirtillo"

Qualità Extra Superiore size 6 1/2 French measurements, so a 60 in EU and a 7 17" in US

Very thin and malleable felt, in a medium brown color. NO paper label on this one.

The changhes in color sre due to different days in which the pictures are shooted. It change very often

Proportions are: raw brim at 5.5 cm. ribbon is 5 cm. and the crown 11 cm. with matching ribbon

It is a very malleable hats, thin a light, with an "old" shape, very interesting for the first autumn

It came new from the historica factory of Borsalino in Alessandria

Daniele, It's a timeless beauty!

 

[Redfokker]

A perfect member of the Borsalino patrol bought in Milan
The other component are the "Borsalino Mysterious" and a third in a beautiful "Mirtillo"

Qualità Extra Superiore size 6 1/2 French measurements, so a 60 in EU and a 7 17" in US

Very thin and malleable felt, in a medium brown color. NO paper label on this one.

The changhes in color sre due to different days in which the pictures are shooted. It change very often

Proportions are: raw brim at 5.5 cm. ribbon is 5 cm. and the crown 11 cm. with matching ribbon

It is a very malleable hats, thin a light, with an "old" shape, very interesting for the first autumn

It came new from the historica factory of Borsalino in Alessandria

Very nice Daniele. That liner looks sweet.

 

[jhoops01]

A perfect member of the Borsalino patrol bought in Milan
The other component are the "Borsalino Mysterious" and a third in a beautiful "Mirtillo"

Qualità Extra Superiore size 6 1/2 French measurements, so a 60 in EU and a 7 17" in US

Very thin and malleable felt, in a medium brown color. NO paper label on this one.

The changhes in color sre due to different days in which the pictures are shooted. It change very often

Proportions are: raw brim at 5.5 cm. ribbon is 5 cm. and the crown 11 cm. with matching ribbon

It is a very malleable hats, thin a light, with an "old" shape, very interesting for the first autumn

It came new from the historica factory of Borsalino in Alessandria

That's a beauty, Daniele!

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Nice.

Like I said in the other thread too: this is a very beautiful hat. The model makes it look like it's older than it actually is. Great find.

Beautiful

Daniele, It's a timeless beauty!

Very nice Daniele. That liner looks sweet.

That's a beauty, Daniele!

Thanks you all for the kind words and likes.
We have to say thank to Borsalino hatters for this beauty and others on some heads

 

[Daniele Tanto]

The third and final member of the Borsalino patrol bought in Milan

The other component are the "Borsalino Mysterious" and a the Borsalino "Brown" showed in last days"

Borsalino Qualità Superiore size 6 French measurements, so a 59 in EU and a 7 3/8 in US

Very thick and sturdy felt, "Mirtillo" color. It is the youngest of the trio and the modern label show less then the oldest

Since I have not the reference of modern Borsalino modern colors, my guess it is "Mirtillo"

Proportions are: trimmed brim at 6 cm. ribbon is 3.5 cm. and the crown 12.5 cm. with matching ribbon and wind cord

It is a very firm hats with imponent proportions. Very elegant

It came new from the new Spinetta Marengo factory near Alessandria and was sold in Germany

 

[drmaxtejeda]

The third and final member of the Borsalino patrol bought in Milan

The other component are the "Borsalino Mysterious" and a the Borsalino "Brown" showed in last days"

Borsalino Qualità Superiore size 6 French measurements, so a 59 in EU and a 7 3/8 in US

Very thick and sturdy felt, "Mirtillo" color. It is the youngest of the trio and the modern label show less then the oldest

Since I have not the reference of modern Borsalino modern colors, my guess it is "Mirtillo"

Proportions are: trimmed brim at 6 cm. ribbon is 3.5 cm. and the crown 12.5 cm. with matching ribbon and wind cord

It is a very firm hats with imponent proportions. Very elegant

It came new from the new Spinetta Marengo factory near Alessandria and was sold in Germany

Beautiful! And with a 6 cm brim!

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[Redfokker]

The third and final member of the Borsalino patrol bought in Milan

The other component are the "Borsalino Mysterious" and a the Borsalino "Brown" showed in last days"

Borsalino Qualità Superiore size 6 French measurements, so a 59 in EU and a 7 3/8 in US

Very thick and sturdy felt, "Mirtillo" color. It is the youngest of the trio and the modern label show less then the oldest

Since I have not the reference of modern Borsalino modern colors, my guess it is "Mirtillo"

Proportions are: trimmed brim at 6 cm. ribbon is 3.5 cm. and the crown 12.5 cm. with matching ribbon and wind cord

It is a very firm hats with imponent proportions. Very elegant

It came new from the new Spinetta Marengo factory near Alessandria and was sold in Germany

Such a nice Borsalino Daniele. Mirtillo has to be my favorite color they made. Nice details on this one, Ferrari hat!

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Saturday afternoon with sun, heavy rain and fast clouds in the sky and I have time to put the hands with ease and time in the boxes of the stored hats, so I have the opportunity to put on a table the restored hats of the last five years.
Often on FL we discuss hats to be renewed, to be converted or repaired or, again, to be done ex novo. Today I want you to participate in a phase in the assessment of hats that is, personal opinion, fundamental.

The photographs refer to a batch of Borsalino bought blindly. You will see below the status of the hats and the questions that every collector faces a similar problem

When I opened the box where they were crammed in a bad way, as always, I have the main question: if it was worth putting my hands in the hats to be restore or throw them in the dustbin or put them in a box with an anti-moth and wait times, or evaluate case by case for a possible renewal-restoration

The questions are many: Is it worth it? How will the hat be finished? How many are of my size? Will I return, at least partially, to the total investment (purchase and restoration)?

The first time I asked myself these questions was for a bunch of old and-new Borsalino, a few years ago, in conditions to ask for mercy. I talked to European and American hatters and then I made the decision to restore some of them and when I had the hats in the hands I put aside what I learned.......

 

[Daniele Tanto]

First: we often underestimate the life that is present in our beloved hats, even if they are on avenue sunset. Second: what can be done to make them return wearable. Third: decide, according to casuistry, for a philological restoration or for a partial or total renewal.

Here, you have on the desk the doubts and the vicissitudes of treating used or partially new and badly preserved hats like those you see in the photos. I ask you the considerations, the questions and what you think about it

Then there are the hats that do not interest you, the ones you already have in other copies and the ones that you wonder why they ended up in that pile

Yet along these roads you learn many things.
All Borsalino hats are currently being restored.
A few days ago you saw the finished Lobbia, the one eaten by the moths.
The yellow light you see in the photos is that of an autumn afternoon

Let me know what do you think. Thanks

 

[steur]

Saturday afternoon with sun, heavy rain and fast clouds in the sky and I have time to put the hands with ease and time in the boxes of the stored hats, so I have the opportunity to put on a table the restored hats of the last five years.
Often on FL we discuss hats to be renewed, to be converted or repaired or, again, to be done ex novo. Today I want you to participate in a phase in the assessment of hats that is, personal opinion, fundamental.

The photographs refer to a batch of Borsalino bought blindly. You will see below the status of the hats and the questions that every collector faces a similar problem

When I opened the box where they were crammed in a bad way, as always, I have the main question: if it was worth putting my hands in the hats to be restore or throw them in the dustbin or put them in a box with an anti-moth and wait times, or evaluate case by case for a possible renewal-restoration

The questions are many: Is it worth it? How will the hat be finished? How many are of my size? Will I return, at least partially, to the total investment (purchase and restoration)?

The first time I asked myself these questions was for a bunch of old and-new Borsalino, a few years ago, in conditions to ask for mercy. I talked to European and American hatters and then I made the decision to restore some of them and when I had the hats in the hands I put aside what I learned.......

This is a recognizable situation for most of us who find their hats in thrift stores, garage sales, fleamarkets or vintage clothing stores. In my experience though a quality hat, and Borsalino is certainly that, is very very resilient and, if the felt is in decent condition, can usually be saved.
Sweatbands, liners and ribbons can be replaced and even staining on the felt can quite often be cleaned one way or another. This is part of the joy, at least for me, of collecting vintage hats; to see a hat, that many other would throw in the dustbin, can be brought back to glory with, in most cases, just a good brushing and steaming. Never ceases to amaze me.
There's another reason not to give up easily and that is of course that these will not be made anymore.
So would we want a box crammed full of vintage Borsalinos; is that a trick question?

 

[Daniele Tanto]

This is a recognizable situation for most of us who find their hats in thrift stores, garage sales, fleamarkets or vintage clothing stores. In my experience though a quality hat, and Borsalino is certainly that, is very very resilient and, if the felt is in decent condition, can usually be saved.
Sweatbands, liners and ribbons can be replaced and even staining on the felt can quite often be cleaned one way or another. This is part of the joy, at least for me, of collecting vintage hats; to see a hat, that many other would throw in the dustbin, can be brought back to glory with, in most cases, just a good brushing and steaming. Never ceases to amaze me.
There's another reason not to give up easily and that is of course that these will not be made anymore.
So would we want a box crammed full of vintage Borsalinos; is that a trick question?

Stefan my manual hatter skills have increased in recent years, but for hard cases like those presented, you need the hands of a real hatter.
I too am convinced that some hats must be saved otherwise we will never see them again. I posed the question because too often we do not consider the possibility of resurrecting a hat with results and prices far from the current standards to have a new one. Then I like to see objects take shape and return to their primary function. I have photographed for work many restorations of paintings, frescoes, wood and stones, and perhaps I have learned and appreciated the art of bringing back to life pieces of the world. For a box full of vintage Borsalino I often try and when there are opportunities never back. It would be necessary to found a consortium for the preservation of ancient hats, perhaps having heads of different sizes could be amortized costs and draw benefits