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Side By Side/ Hat Comparisons

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18,379
Location
Nederland
1915 Stetson"The Event"
1915-1917 Dobbs

Both of these hats, though from different manufacturer, are extremely close in age. The Stetson was produced during the fall of 1915, whereas the Dobbs was produced sometime between 1915 and 1917.

As you can see in the photographs, each hats is every single shade, as long as it's black. The Stetson absorbs light, and is as black as black can get. The dobbs, the black and color, exhumes slight greenish undertones, depending on the lighting.

Each hat has some beautiful ribbon work. The Stetson has the usual bow, which can be seen on many of their hats, whereas the Dobbs has this interesting treatment done with fraying on both the leading and following edges. Each hats are up brims, which means that they were flange to have the brim worn upward. The Stetson has an over welts, with a single row of stitching, which I photographed. The Dobbs has a very early Cavanaugh Edge, which was patented in 1913. I've included both photographs of the edge, and of the sweatband embossing showing the patent

Each hat, in hand, weighs the same. Though the Stetson does have a denser feel to it. Looking on the inside of each hat, the Stetson is readed, whereas the Dobbs has the sweatband attached directly to the felt. The Stetson has a sizing ribbon which, sadly has worn a part in its lifetime, but was used to adjust the size of the Hat by pulling on the back of the ribbon that would be protruded through the sweatband. The Dobbs, does not have this feature, but has a beautifully executed knot at the rear of the sweatband.

The embossing on each sweatband is truly beautiful examples of the time period, the Stetson has gold leaf, or foil, inlaid in each of the embossing, whereas the Dobbs only has it laid into the store logo.

With each hat in open Crown, be Stetson Crown blocking is extremely straight. When looking at the side profile of the Dobbs, you can notice Crown taper. Very interesting
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Fantastic hats and very informative comparison, Justin. Thank you for this: it's a real treat.
 

KarlCrow

One Too Many
1915 Stetson"The Event"
1915-1917 Dobbs

Both of these hats, though from different manufacturer, are extremely close in age. The Stetson was produced during the fall of 1915, whereas the Dobbs was produced sometime between 1915 and 1917.

As you can see in the photographs, each hats is every single shade, as long as it's black. The Stetson absorbs light, and is as black as black can get. The dobbs, the black and color, exhumes slight greenish undertones, depending on the lighting.

Each hat has some beautiful ribbon work. The Stetson has the usual bow, which can be seen on many of their hats, whereas the Dobbs has this interesting treatment done with fraying on both the leading and following edges. Each hats are up brims, which means that they were flange to have the brim worn upward. The Stetson has an over welts, with a single row of stitching, which I photographed. The Dobbs has a very early Cavanaugh Edge, which was patented in 1913. I've included both photographs of the edge, and of the sweatband embossing showing the patent

Each hat, in hand, weighs the same. Though the Stetson does have a denser feel to it. Looking on the inside of each hat, the Stetson is readed, whereas the Dobbs has the sweatband attached directly to the felt. The Stetson has a sizing ribbon which, sadly has worn a part in its lifetime, but was used to adjust the size of the Hat by pulling on the back of the ribbon that would be protruded through the sweatband. The Dobbs, does not have this feature, but has a beautifully executed knot at the rear of the sweatband.

The embossing on each sweatband is truly beautiful examples of the time period, the Stetson has gold leaf, or foil, inlaid in each of the embossing, whereas the Dobbs only has it laid into the store logo.

With each hat in open Crown, be Stetson Crown blocking is extremely straight. When looking at the side profile of the Dobbs, you can notice Crown taper. Very interesting
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Amazing hats in great condition, interesting.
 

Short Balding Guy

I'll Lock Up
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9,871
Location
Minnesota, USA
1915 Stetson"The Event"
1915-1917 Dobbs

Both of these hats, though from different manufacturer, are extremely close in age. The Stetson was produced during the fall of 1915, whereas the Dobbs was produced sometime between 1915 and 1917.

As you can see in the photographs, each hats is every single shade, as long as it's black. The Stetson absorbs light, and is as black as black can get. The dobbs, the black and color, exhumes slight greenish undertones, depending on the lighting.

Each hat has some beautiful ribbon work. The Stetson has the usual bow, which can be seen on many of their hats, whereas the Dobbs has this interesting treatment done with fraying on both the leading and following edges. Each hats are up brims, which means that they were flange to have the brim worn upward. The Stetson has an over welts, with a single row of stitching, which I photographed. The Dobbs has a very early Cavanaugh Edge, which was patented in 1913. I've included both photographs of the edge, and of the sweatband embossing showing the patent

Each hat, in hand, weighs the same. Though the Stetson does have a denser feel to it. Looking on the inside of each hat, the Stetson is readed, whereas the Dobbs has the sweatband attached directly to the felt. The Stetson has a sizing ribbon which, sadly has worn a part in its lifetime, but was used to adjust the size of the Hat by pulling on the back of the ribbon that would be protruded through the sweatband. The Dobbs, does not have this feature, but has a beautifully executed knot at the rear of the sweatband.

The embossing on each sweatband is truly beautiful examples of the time period, the Stetson has gold leaf, or foil, inlaid in each of the embossing, whereas the Dobbs only has it laid into the store logo.

With each hat in open Crown, be Stetson Crown blocking is extremely straight. When looking at the side profile of the Dobbs, you can notice Crown taper. Very interesting.

Bravo Josh, Bravo! Excellent comparision.

So rarely are these hats of the quality and age you have shown appear. I truly enjoyed seeing the details and comparisons. I see some of the very early hats having some, as you have noted, terrific labeling. The gold print just looks so classy.

Thanks sir. Best, Eric -
 

Rogera

My Mail is Forwarded Here
Messages
3,365
Location
West Texas
Three c.1920s Stetson Select Quality fedoras

These hats, though very similar in profile, have unique traits.

Felt - Extremely soft and malleable, maintains any crease with ease.

Color - black/black ribbon, red-brown/"sunfaded" ribbon, brown-green/brown ribbon

Brim - two hats are raw edge, while one has an overwelt treatment.

Liner - unlined, two show remnants of a crown sticker/logo, while one maintains it

Sweatband - note the variation of sweatband texture from hat to. Each hat is reeded. Two are the IIIIII stitching, while the other is the vvvvvv pattern.
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I'm a little late to see this but dang what a line up! Beautiful hats Justin!
 

splintercellsz

I'll Lock Up
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6,141
Location
Somewhere in Time
Fantastic hats and very informative comparison, Justin. Thank you for this: it's a real treat.

Very welcome!!

Amazing hats in great condition, interesting.

For sure

fantastic comparison

gorgeous pieces

Thank you, Ant!

Great comparison, Justin. Enjoyed that.

I'm glad you enjoyed, my friend!

Bravo Josh, Bravo! Excellent comparision.

So rarely are these hats of the quality and age you have shown appear. I truly enjoyed seeing the details and comparisons. I see some of the very early hats having some, as you have noted, terrific labeling. The gold print just looks so classy.

Thanks sir. Best, Eric -

I'm glad you enjoyed the comparison, and as you said, the gold just adds an extra something to the sweatbands

I'm a little late to see this but dang what a line up! Beautiful hats Justin!

Being late never hurt anyone!! Thank you!!
 

splintercellsz

I'll Lock Up
Messages
6,141
Location
Somewhere in Time
Pre-1920s Austrian Velours
A. Peschel - Brown
Dunlap - Black

Each of these hats are done in the velour finish. The Felts of each is extremely malleable to the touch, almost as if a breeze will shape the felt. The Peschel has had its sweatband, and ribbon replaced a few years back, while the Dunlap retains its original equipment

Each hat has a Sheen to it when held in the light, which is common on velour finishes. Each hat has been flanged to be worn up brim, which was common when they were created. This is where I will stop my rambling, and let the photos do the talking
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Messages
18,379
Location
Nederland
Pre-1920s Austrian Velours
A. Peschel - Brown
Dunlap - Black

Each of these hats are done in the velour finish. The Felts of each is extremely malleable to the touch, almost as if a breeze will shape the felt. The Peschel has had its sweatband, and ribbon replaced a few years back, while the Dunlap retains its original equipment

Each hat has a Sheen to it when held in the light, which is common on velour finishes. Each hat has been flanged to be worn up brim, which was common when they were created. This is where I will stop my rambling, and let the photos do the talking
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Super to see these side by side, Justin. Great hats both. Now I have to run upstairs to look for my velours hats too.
 
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19,408
Location
Funkytown, USA
Pre-1920s Austrian Velours
A. Peschel - Brown
Dunlap - Black

Each of these hats are done in the velour finish. The Felts of each is extremely malleable to the touch, almost as if a breeze will shape the felt. The Peschel has had its sweatband, and ribbon replaced a few years back, while the Dunlap retains its original equipment

Each hat has a Sheen to it when held in the light, which is common on velour finishes. Each hat has been flanged to be worn up brim, which was common when they were created. This is where I will stop my rambling, and let the photos do the talking
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Good show, Justin! I missed Tuesday's installment, as well, and both comparisons are fantastic and informative. Great examples, thanks for sharing.
 
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12,384
Location
Albany Oregon
1915 Stetson"The Event"
1915-1917 Dobbs

Both of these hats, though from different manufacturer, are extremely close in age. The Stetson was produced during the fall of 1915, whereas the Dobbs was produced sometime between 1915 and 1917.

As you can see in the photographs, each hats is every single shade, as long as it's black. The Stetson absorbs light, and is as black as black can get. The dobbs, the black and color, exhumes slight greenish undertones, depending on the lighting.

Each hat has some beautiful ribbon work. The Stetson has the usual bow, which can be seen on many of their hats, whereas the Dobbs has this interesting treatment done with fraying on both the leading and following edges. Each hats are up brims, which means that they were flange to have the brim worn upward. The Stetson has an over welts, with a single row of stitching, which I photographed. The Dobbs has a very early Cavanaugh Edge, which was patented in 1913. I've included both photographs of the edge, and of the sweatband embossing showing the patent

Each hat, in hand, weighs the same. Though the Stetson does have a denser feel to it. Looking on the inside of each hat, the Stetson is readed, whereas the Dobbs has the sweatband attached directly to the felt. The Stetson has a sizing ribbon which, sadly has worn a part in its lifetime, but was used to adjust the size of the Hat by pulling on the back of the ribbon that would be protruded through the sweatband. The Dobbs, does not have this feature, but has a beautifully executed knot at the rear of the sweatband.

The embossing on each sweatband is truly beautiful examples of the time period, the Stetson has gold leaf, or foil, inlaid in each of the embossing, whereas the Dobbs only has it laid into the store logo.

With each hat in open Crown, be Stetson Crown blocking is extremely straight. When looking at the side profile of the Dobbs, you can notice Crown taper. Very interesting
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Wonderful comparison Justin. It is great to see these two Great War era hats together in captivity.
 

splintercellsz

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6,141
Location
Somewhere in Time
c.1900s Stetson Exposition Velour & c.1920s Stetson Clear Nutria Velour "Extra Lightweight"

For your viewing pleasure today, I will be comparing two of my favorite hats. Each hat is a deep black velour finish, with silver felt fibers throughout the Hat. The 1900s example carries an elegant brim curl, whereas the 1920s hat has more of a flatter flange.

Looking at each of the hats ribbons, the 1900s hat has a more squared off bow, whereas the 1920s variant has a little flare towards the rear of the bow.

The crown profile of each hat is fairly similar, straight sides with a flat top, though the earlier hat has a more rounded profile, reminiscent of some early Derbies that I have seen. Be felt on the nutria is extremely soft and if I blow hard enough on the top of the Hat I am able to cause the crown to somewhat slightly bash in.

Looking at the inside construction, each hat is readed, and the sweatbands are attached with the V stitching of the era. Each hat Bears a taped sweatband scene, and both their the circular size sticker. The early exposition has a texturized sweatband, whereas the nutria has an extremely smooth sweatband. The 1900s hat also has a unique liner, which has swirlish type designs which I have tried to photograph.

Looking at you size tags behind the sweatband, the Nutria has the tri-pannel, where is the early has a size sticker that I have not seen in my collection before, only online. Now I will stop my ramblings and let the photos finish talking
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