Revolution? Hording? Madness?

[Undertow]

I hope this is within the lines of the OB and if it's not, smite it from existence!

My father recently received two lungs via transplant and is doing much better compared to his last few years of sickness and torment. As a result, him and I have decided to catch up on things we never really had a chance to do (i.e. bonding). He is former military and I love guns, so shooting was an obvious choice.

I recently travelled to a chainstore in Ankeny, IA called Sportsman's Warehouse, which I'm sure a few of you are familiar with as it is dispersed throughout the country. I was looking for a range case for my pistols so that I wouldn't have to lug around a bunch of smaller cases. While I was there, I figured I'd purchase some range ammo as well.

I ended up leaving that store empty handed and traveling to another chainstore, Scheels, in search of the same things.

While I was at Scheels staring at empty shelves with my mouth hanging to the floor, I decided to ask a rep where everything had gone. He proceeded to tell me that customers have been coming in packs to purchase ammo, firearms, cases and accessories because they were sincerely frightened.

Frightened? I couldn't believe I heard that from a reasonably sane looking man, so I asked him what he meant. He said the customers have been speaking of everything from Revolution to Hording to a ban on all weapons/ammo.

I realize that Mr. Bernanke has claimed this is the worst financial crisis since the 1930's (BBC Worst crisis since 1930s says Fed) but is there really a concern that we should be hording weapons and ammunition in case of a A.)Revolution or B.)Law against said materials?

I'm asking this in all sincerity as I had NO idea this was going on until now. Are things REALLY that bad here?

 

[Dixon Cannon]

Yes.

You may have opened a hornet's nest here, UT, but I'll wade in as I usually do.

The reality is this has been brewing since 1913, exacerbated in 1933 by the New Deal, fueled by the 'Nixon Shock of '71 and the end of Bretton Woods. The subsequent years have just been tax, spend, debt and a complete wrecking of the currency.

It started with the Federal Reserve System and now is just a free-for-all of fiat currency, monetized debt, and re-distribution - the recipe for societal destruction, anarchy, marshal law, revolution, and social upheaval on a scale unprecedented in American history.

I hate to be a pessimist, but we could have solved this decades ago by sticking to our Constitutional roots but our faith in politicians and big government has become institutionalized.

John Lennon said it best; "They keep you doped with religion and sex and TV, but you're still (bloody) peasants as far as I can see". The peasants have wanted bread and circuses for so long they've lost sight of what a Constitutional Republic is supposed to be.

Sorry to be so blunt, but I've been preaching this for thirty-five years! Nobody wants to hear it, then or now it seems.

-dixon cannon

P.S. Not a political statement, but one of philosophy, economics and history.

 

[Feraud]

"Gun guys" generally have a illogical paranoia of Government running through them.
This sounds like more of the same I've heard before when things get tough.

I say this as a gun guy.

 

[Atticus Finch]

Let me just add a tid-bit before this thread is closed.

In the days immediately before the November election I decided to buy a shorter barrel for an old Mossberg 500 that I've owned forever. My decision to buy the barrel had nothing to do with the election, it had to do with deer season being open at the time and me wanting an inexpensive slug-gun. I tried every source I could think of to buy a shotgun barrel shorter than 26 inches, but to no avail. Cabelas, Hastings, Mossberg---everyone was sold out. Of course, short barreled, 12 gauge pump-guns make excellent gun fighting weapons. In fact, some folks refer to such a shotgun as a "riot gun".

It was only a few days later that I saw on the national news that people were stockpiling weapons in anticipation of general revolution.

AF

 

["Skeet" McD]

That Seems a Bit...Extreme; but...

He proceeded to tell me that customers have been coming in packs to purchase ammo, firearms, cases and accessories because they were sincerely frightened....I'm asking this in all sincerity as I had NO idea this was going on until now. Are things REALLY that bad here?

Well, like the title says: at least from out here on the East Coast, that seems bordering on the nutty. But there is a difference between the East Coast, the West Coast, and the middle of the country. You might have noticed...

Here in Massachusetts--which has one of the strictest (and most poorly written) set of laws re: guns and ammunition in the US--and in New Hampshire (I live right on the border of the two states) there was a noticeable rush to purchase guns and ammuntion after the national election, according to all the dealers I've come in contact with. The feeling was that there was a good chance that such things would become even more difficult to purchase, and better to get them grandfathered (in in the case of guns) or stockpiled (in the case of ammo).

This is, sadly, NOT an extreme reaction, given the local circumstances. But I have heard not a whisper of any other, more apocalyptic, cause(s).

For what it's worth....

 

[Baron Kurtz]

The sky! It's falling!!

Don't get me wrong. I AM mocking such absurdity.

bk

 

[Dixon Cannon]

"Gun guys" generally have a illogical paranoia of Government running through them.
This sounds like more of the same I've heard before when things get tough.

I say this as a gun guy.

When one considers that most of the destruction and death on this planet has been perpetrated by governments, paranoia is not illogical, it's pragmatic.
It's the reason the Declaration of Independence was written and the reason the Constitution of the United States of America was constructed. It certainly is the reason and purpose for the 2nd Amendment to that Constitution.

Governments comprised of lawyers, politicians, and militarists tend to create situations that lead to war, destruction, and empire. World history is the proof enough of that.

Awareness of that fact and "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." is what the Founders had in mind based on their experience with another certain government (which shall remain nameless so as not to ruffle feathers abroad).

Recommended reading: http://www.amazon.com/Safeguarding-Liberty-Constitution-Citizens-Militias/dp/188069218X

-Dixon Cannon

 

[Carlisle Blues]

Governments comprised of lawyers, politicians, and militarists tend to create situations that lead to war, destruction, and empire.

-Dixon Cannon

fftopic: And to think my thread regarding gardening using a vintage apparatus was closed immediately upon opening it. What is this world coming to:whistling

 

[Marc Chevalier]

Eugene Pallette (1889 -1954) is probably known now mainly by old movie buffs. He was a heavy-set character actor whose movie career started in 1913 and survived the change to talking movies, where his distinctive foghorn voice proved an asset. His most famous role was probably that of Friar Tuck in Robin Hood in 1938; his last movie was Silver River in 1948.


In 1937, Pallette decided to build a retreat in one of the most remote areas in the country ‚ along the Imnaha River in Wallowa County. "It'll take a war or a revolution a long time to get up into Imnaha Canyon," he was quoted as saying.


Pallette bought 3,500 acres 29 miles upriver from Imnaha, and built a fortress-like ranch, complete with its own sawmill, power plant, and 18-man bunkhouse. In a concrete storehouse he stockpiled huge quantities of supplies, including two tons of canned goods, 20 sacks of coffee, 125 smoked hams, 50 kegs of nails, for example. A cold storage plant was sunk in the ground, and a separate building held a steam canning plant for the produce from a vast garden.


Pallette controlled nearly 11 miles along both sides of the upper Imnaha, where he grazed a herd of registered Herefords. He paid his hired hands well, $60 a month and keep. He wanted complete privacy and received few visitors. Pallette traveled back and forth between Imnaha and Hollywood frequently.


In 1949 he started selling off parts of the ranch, evenly divided among several buyers. Eugene Pallette died of cancer, not revolution, in 1954.


The Pallette Ranch, in reduced form, still exists along the upper Imnaha as a cattle operation.


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[MrBern]

"Gun guys" generally have a illogical paranoia of Government running through them.
This sounds like more of the same I've heard before when things get tough.

I say this as a gun guy.

Oh, you mean like the survivalists?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivalists

I suppose that mentality wouldve helped in the Louisiana when the levee broke. Then again the folks with guns down there were probably just complicating the situation.

 

[MrBern]

Yeah, but how many folks emptying the shelves at the gunstore are actually part of a well trained militia?

When one considers that most of the destruction and death on this planet has been perpetrated by governments, paranoia is not illogical, it's pragmatic.
It's the reason the Declaration of Independence was written and the reason the Constitution of the United States of America was constructed. It certainly is the reason and purpose for the 2nd Amendment to that Constitution.

Governments comprised of lawyers, politicians, and militarists tend to create situations that lead to war, destruction, and empire. World history is the proof enough of that.

Awareness of that fact and "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." is what the Founders had in mind based on their experience with another certain government (which shall remain nameless so as not to ruffle feathers abroad).

Recommended reading: http://www.amazon.com/Safeguarding-Liberty-Constitution-Citizens-Militias/dp/188069218X

-Dixon Cannon

 

[Marc Chevalier]

Let me just add a tidbit before this thread is closed.

lol...



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[Paisley]

There's a store near my house with painted signs on the windows reading "Don't be afraid!...not panic through crisis" or something like that.

Sorry, I've never been in the place.

There's also a fairly mainstream religious group that has a practice of having a year's supply of food on hand.

Quirky? I suppose, but at least they seem self-sufficient.

 

[Lefty]

You guys worry too much.

 

[Marc Chevalier]

There's also a fairly mainstream religious group that has a practice of having a year's supply of food on hand.

Ah, yes...the LDS church.

How did they get to be mainstream, anyway?

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