Real McCoys fell off?

[Canuck Panda]

Real Mccoy fell off? Yes and No. Everything everyone says about them is true, but there are also more to the story.

Here are all the RMC leather jackets I've had, not including military, so only Buco brand and Joe Mccoy brand, and why I do or do not have them anymore. In numeric order,

J-24
I\ /I shape
Current production version. I traded my size 42 jacket for a size 44 jacket. Size 42 felt small for me but the size 44 feels too boxy. I also have the LW J-24 in size 46, and it fits very similar to this RMC jacket in size 44, but in totally different leather. The minute I find an older fit that fits like my J-82 I will get rid of this current fit 44 jacket and all my other J-24 styling jackets.

J-25
I\ /I shape
I bought this used. It is a total keeper for me. This was around 2017s production give or take a year either way. Old fit size 44.

J-57
)Y( shape
This is a New Zealand made jacket. But there are Japan made ones. As soon as I find one with the white Japan label this one would be replaced. I actually prefer the Japanese Shinki over the NZ horsehide because it has harder topcoat, the NZ top coat fades too fast compared to the Japanese Shinki version.

J-82
Y shape
This is the steerhide version before the padded horsehide version. This is a total keeper for me. Once I find a J-24 in this cut / silhouette that's end game J-24 for me. Not all jackets from mid 2010s were bad. This one was exceptionally good imo. Most people would have to go up one or two sizes on this jacket though. This one is size 44.

J-100
)Y( shape
Old model I think, I am confused, but I bought it used and it has white pocket bags.
Feels a lot like the J-57.
I don't have this jacket anymore, and I am looking for the Shinki J-57.

Joe Mccoy Freeman
I) (I shape
This one is a keeper for me. I bought this jacket from Japan. The one small detail RMC missed was the inside flip up and down collar, but it was either this or wait for John, I remember he had an original RW for pattern study.

Joe Mccoy Mobster
\ / shape
I had a size 40, sold it and got another size 42. This is the model most people go after, but I don't get it. Every heritage motorcycle brand in the US can do this jacket just the same or better in some cases.

Joe Mccoy Nelson
) ( shape
So basically this is a Highwayman with half belt fit. Rainbow Country does a better job at this than RMC imo. I wear the RC one and sold the RMC one.

Joe Mccoy Steinbeck
I I shape
This is RMC's 1930s fit half belt. I sold it because I did not warm up to the reverse T paneling back aka the center seam. I am ok with the T panels on coats and trucker and military jackets but for some weird reason I didn't warm up to it for the half belt look.

So we are looking at a 50/50 chance in my RMC experience. RMC military line hits harder and has much higher satisfaction rates for me. I also don't have an issue with RMC's pigment wax shinki. I actually have the same leather in my Johnson jackets as well. It is harder wearing than most assumes it to be. Not as nice as RC horsehide imo. RC makes their horsehides looks like how Badalassi looks, grainy and shiny, but the thicker ones are stiff as hell, only the thinner ones are soft so there is always a trade off.

RMC gets a passing grade from me but only at their Japanese price points.

 

[cbez]

Sir please delete this propaganda, all Japanese jackets are tubular, long rectangles.

 

[Aloysius]

Sir please delete this propaganda, all Japanese jackets are tubular, long rectangles.

While this isn't the case, I think the thing to remember about the rectangle and A shaped cuts is that they're not a case of bad patterning so much as a deliberate design.

It's not like the designers of those brands don't know how to pattern a normal jacket–after all in most cases they have vintage ones they're studying–but that cut with the tight shoulders and slim straight (2010s) or flared body (2020s) is intentional, as it's a fashion trend in Japan. I don't like the cut of the "YSL moto" jackets either but their weird shape isn't because YSL can't afford patterners; it's because that's the desired look.

Much like in other subcultures both in Japan and the West the desired look has been a throwback to 90s and late 80s designs in the other direction with the massively oversized shoulder. (We tried to explain to Zangy that this was in fact trendy but he didn't believe us.)

 

[ton312]

Vs

LOL.

 

[Rm759]

Anyone have one of these "garbage" RMC J100's old cut in size 44 I'll take take it off your hands. DM me.

 

[thenillplaydirty]

In my opinion.
The Real McCoy's Japan went bankrupt in 2001, and Real McCoy's International, which took over the management, is just one of the derived brands (Freewheelers, Rainbow Country, Toys McCoy,etc).
For now, I think Real McCoy's is too expensive. It used to be much harder to get. It's easier to get now that the price has gone up and fewer people are buying it.
I am japanese, and I don't know why foreigners rate Real McCoy's so highly.
I think Aero Leather and Vanson are better.

 

[Jonanah]

Here on TFL we talk about RMC jackets like they're something really special. But in Japan they really aren't. Every big city has a RMC store which carries dozens and dozens of j24s j100s A2s or what have you. It's like walking into a Schott store in the US.

I’m not following how a product’s availability in the country where it’s produced is an argument against its quality—particularly at the scale of “dozens and dozens”

 

[Marc mndt]

I’m not following how a product’s availability in the country where it’s produced is an argument against its quality—particularly at the scale of “dozens and dozens”

Where did I say anything about quality in the part that you quoted?

 

[Jonanah]

Where did I say anything about quality in the part that you quoted?

Oh apologies I thought that’s what this whole thread was about

 

[Cheech]

As @Edward mentioned, if you stick around long enough, you’ll see the rise and fall of various jacket makers in the views of this community. It’s happened to Aero, John Chapman, Himel, and Field, to name a few. And that’s not to say that the reasons for backlash haven’t been legitimate. Part of it seems human nature, too, what with the desire for novelty.

I haven’t owned as many RMC/JMC as @Canuck Panda, but I’ve had quite a few, and I’m also of the mind that they are worth the cost to me but only selectively so and on the secondary market. I’ll also note that some of their jackets—the old J-22, J-82, 30’s aviator—offer a more flattering fit for me than others, like the J-100. I would probably think otherwise if I had @ton312‘s superhero proportions. That said, I think their patterns and product are quite good. Not $2k+ good, but good nonetheless.