That's hard to answer Red. The crown is stiff, but the brim is soft. It does not snap down with a smooth break. Instead it takes a bit if a hump where it turns over, which I find problematic, but I like the look of it up, so I'll leave it that way.
Like what's called a hawks bill?
I'm not familiar with that term. It's just not a smooth, soft turn over. Almost like the felt is too soft, so instead of a graduated turn over, it just flops.
Maybe a little steam will loosen the brim. I'm getting the same hat, and am very interested. I don't wear my brims up generally.
I haven't put any steam on it. Bob might be better able to speak to that. I tend to like brims up, but then I have a marked preference for homburgs and western, so take it for what it's worth. I certainly think I got my money's worth and have no complaints. It's a nice hat.
In the front forward view of the brim snapped up (on your hat) the flange looks pretty deep and "cuppy." Try the steam thing and flatten it out some, if that's the look you like. Some pics of brim snapped down from the front and sides would be helpful. Here's mine up and down.
...or parrot beak. I hate "parrot beak."
Fantastic hat, Moon.Early 1940s Vita Felt Stetsonian
this thing had an awful ribbon put on it at some point in its life (pictured below) so I commissioned Tim @Cane Rod Maker over at Alley Kat to get it back to the glory it once held.
Tim did an unbelievable job... this hat quickly became one of my absolute favorites minutes ago when I opened the box that arrived from PA
the felt on this hat is absolutely ridiculous... Tim can attest to that... it deserved to have a proper ribbon put back on it
Before
and after Tims magic touch
Sent from my space aged handheld communication device and universal translator
Thank you sir
cool, thanks
Where did you guys find excellent quality whippets?
The Stetson/Hatco Outlet. If yer a 7 and 1/4 there were a few of these around.
John Lofgren Monkey Boots Shinki Horsebuttt - $1,136 The classic monkey boot silhouette in an incredibly rich Shinki russet horse leather. 
Grant Stone Diesel Boot Dark Olive Chromexcel - $395 Goodyear welted, Horween Chromexcel, classic good looks. 
Schott 568 Vandals Jacket - $1,250 The classic Perfecto motorcycle jacket, in a very special limited-edition Schott double rider style.
darn 7 3/8. I'll check it thanks.
Wlcm. They often have lots of good stuff cheap.
Yup. They both work for me.and "good" is just as subjective as "cheap"
Busting balls Bobito ... every one of your outlet hats I would wear proud as fk
Oh here and there
I'd undoubtedly be much better off if I was sleeping instead of scouring the internet in the wee hours for hats labeled incorrectly in their descriptions
Bob ... a general observation if I may
